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Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Sexism is Pretty Much Over.

Posted: 04 May 2010, 3:22pm
by tepista
Wolter wrote:
Flex wrote:This line of reasoning is... not very sound: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... rules.html
Jesus fucking Christ.
Not to make light of rape, but I can't believe the source. It's an Australian rape case and the attorney's name is Paul Hogan? Did he say "You call that a cock? Now that's a cock."

Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Sexism is Pretty Much Over.

Posted: 10 May 2010, 3:03pm
by Flex
So, I thought this was a fairly powerful bit of writing: http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2 ... ecipients/

Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Sexism is Pretty Much Over.

Posted: 10 May 2010, 4:32pm
by JennyB
Flex wrote:So, I thought this was a fairly powerful bit of writing: http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2 ... ecipients/
What the fuck is wrong with people? This (and because I don't want him to turn into a douchebag) is why I am going to try my damndest to raise VH Jr to be a feminist.

Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Sexism is Pretty Much Over.

Posted: 02 Jun 2010, 10:34pm
by Flex
On catcalling and videogames: http://sexyvideogameland.blogspot.com/2 ... -miss.html

A woman fired from Citi Bank for being too attractive: http://dealbreaker.com/2010/06/is-this- ... ur-office/

Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Sexism is Pretty Much Over.

Posted: 02 Jun 2010, 11:56pm
by 101Walterton
I went to a book sale the other day to get books for the kids (retail price is ridiculous). Bought a huge pile of books for my son, adventures, mysteries, sports stories, monster stories, space exploration, fantasy etc etc. I bought one book for my daughter which was actually a boys book about being a greenie.
Every girls book was about boyfriends, girls falling out, family break ups and shopping malls. Disgraceful, the women that write these books should be ashamed.

Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Sexism is Pretty Much Over.

Posted: 02 Jun 2010, 11:58pm
by eumaas
101Walterton wrote:I went to a book sale the other day to get books for the kids (retail price is ridiculous). Bought a huge pile of books for my son, adventures, mysteries, sports stories, monster stories, space exploration, fantasy etc etc. I bought one book for my daughter which was actually a boys book about being a greenie.
Every girls book was about boyfriends, girls falling out, family break ups and shopping malls. Disgraceful, the women that write these books should be ashamed.
Yeah, whatever happened to Nancy Drew?

Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Sexism is Pretty Much Over.

Posted: 03 Jun 2010, 1:17am
by 101Walterton
Whatever happened to equality of the sexes and girl power !!!

Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Sexism is Pretty Much Over.

Posted: 03 Jun 2010, 1:19am
by Flex
Whatever happened to... all of the heroes?

Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Sexism is Pretty Much Over.

Posted: 03 Jun 2010, 1:23am
by 101Walterton
Flex wrote:Whatever happened to... all of the heroes?
All the Shakespearoes?

My point exactly.

Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Sexism is Pretty Much Over.

Posted: 03 Jun 2010, 1:27am
by eumaas
Whatever happened to penny candy?

Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Sexism is Pretty Much Over.

Posted: 03 Jun 2010, 9:16am
by Wolter
Whatever happened to Saturday night?
When you dressed up sharp and you felt alright.
It ain't been the same since cosmic light
Came into my life.

Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Sexism is Pretty Much Over.

Posted: 03 Jun 2010, 11:50am
by JennyB
101Walterton wrote:I went to a book sale the other day to get books for the kids (retail price is ridiculous). Bought a huge pile of books for my son, adventures, mysteries, sports stories, monster stories, space exploration, fantasy etc etc. I bought one book for my daughter which was actually a boys book about being a greenie.
Every girls book was about boyfriends, girls falling out, family break ups and shopping malls. Disgraceful, the women that write these books should be ashamed.
I agree with you, but ont he other hand, why are mysteries, sports books, monster stories, space exploration, etc. considered boys' books in the first place? Why aren't there any boys' books about being in touch with their feelings and shit? OK, I know I sound obnoxious, but my point is, can't any of those books be considered gender-neutral?

Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Sexism is Pretty Much Over.

Posted: 03 Jun 2010, 12:03pm
by Flex
JennyB wrote:
101Walterton wrote:I went to a book sale the other day to get books for the kids (retail price is ridiculous). Bought a huge pile of books for my son, adventures, mysteries, sports stories, monster stories, space exploration, fantasy etc etc. I bought one book for my daughter which was actually a boys book about being a greenie.
Every girls book was about boyfriends, girls falling out, family break ups and shopping malls. Disgraceful, the women that write these books should be ashamed.
I agree with you, but ont he other hand, why are mysteries, sports books, monster stories, space exploration, etc. considered boys' books in the first place? Why aren't there any boys' books about being in touch with their feelings and shit? OK, I know I sound obnoxious, but my point is, can't any of those books be considered gender-neutral?
I was chatting with eumaas about this a little last night and, I can't speak for him, but I agree with the thrust of what you're saying.

Girls are forced to read very, very gendered shit. To me, the issue isn't that they're reading about relationships, or issues with families, or whatever else, it's that it's presented in about the most insulting and facile manner possible.

And, as you say, the other side of the coin is boy's books which are just as stupid and used to promote heteronormative, hyper-masculine standards.

As you say, an increasing emphasis on gender-neutral titles, or books aimed at certain target audiences which don't promote the most banal and harmful stereotypes our society has to offer, would do a world of good.

Frankly, if I were a parent with a daughter I'd be trying to turn her onto writers like Ursula K. LeGuinn as early as possible.

Oh, and while not perfect, this isn't a bad resource: http://ameliabloomer.wordpress.com/

Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Sexism is Pretty Much Over.

Posted: 03 Jun 2010, 12:06pm
by JennyB
Flex wrote:
JennyB wrote:
101Walterton wrote:I went to a book sale the other day to get books for the kids (retail price is ridiculous). Bought a huge pile of books for my son, adventures, mysteries, sports stories, monster stories, space exploration, fantasy etc etc. I bought one book for my daughter which was actually a boys book about being a greenie.
Every girls book was about boyfriends, girls falling out, family break ups and shopping malls. Disgraceful, the women that write these books should be ashamed.
I agree with you, but ont he other hand, why are mysteries, sports books, monster stories, space exploration, etc. considered boys' books in the first place? Why aren't there any boys' books about being in touch with their feelings and shit? OK, I know I sound obnoxious, but my point is, can't any of those books be considered gender-neutral?
I was chatting with eumaas about this a little last night and, I can't speak for him, but I agree with the thrust of what you're saying.

Girls are forced to read very, very gendered shit. To me, the issue isn't that they're reading about relationships, or issues with families, or whatever else, it's that it's presented in about the most insulting and facile manner possible.

And, as you say, the other side of the coin is boy's books which are just as stupid and used to promote heteronormative, hyper-masculine standards.

As you say, an increasing emphasis on gender-neutral titles, or books aimed at certain target audiences which don't promote the most banal and harmful stereotypes our society has to offer, would do a world of good.

Frankly, if I were a parent with a daughter I'd be trying to turn her onto writers like Ursula K. LeGuinn as early as possible.

Oh, and while not perfect, this isn't a bad resource: http://ameliabloomer.wordpress.com/
I like that, Flex. I want VH Jr. to be a feminist, so I appreciate hearing about good books for kids.

Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Sexism is Pretty Much Over.

Posted: 03 Jun 2010, 12:08pm
by matedog
Flex wrote:
JennyB wrote:
101Walterton wrote:I went to a book sale the other day to get books for the kids (retail price is ridiculous). Bought a huge pile of books for my son, adventures, mysteries, sports stories, monster stories, space exploration, fantasy etc etc. I bought one book for my daughter which was actually a boys book about being a greenie.
Every girls book was about boyfriends, girls falling out, family break ups and shopping malls. Disgraceful, the women that write these books should be ashamed.
I agree with you, but ont he other hand, why are mysteries, sports books, monster stories, space exploration, etc. considered boys' books in the first place? Why aren't there any boys' books about being in touch with their feelings and shit? OK, I know I sound obnoxious, but my point is, can't any of those books be considered gender-neutral?
I was chatting with eumaas about this a little last night and, I can't speak for him, but I agree with the thrust of what you're saying.

Girls are forced to read very, very gendered shit. To me, the issue isn't that they're reading about relationships, or issues with families, or whatever else, it's that it's presented in about the most insulting and facile manner possible.

And, as you say, the other side of the coin is boy's books which are just as stupid and used to promote heteronormative, hyper-masculine standards.

As you say, an increasing emphasis on gender-neutral titles, or books aimed at certain target audiences which don't promote the most banal and harmful stereotypes our society has to offer, would do a world of good.

Frankly, if I were a parent with a daughter I'd be trying to turn her onto writers like Ursula K. LeGuinn as early as possible.

Oh, and while not perfect, this isn't a bad resource: http://ameliabloomer.wordpress.com/
But won't doing that turn all our children ghey?