Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

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Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

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I'm sure this is probably old news to some but what do you think of this?

http://www.shakespeare-oxford.com/

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I think it hides a hidden elitism. Oh, Shakespeare couldn't have been some dirty actor. It had to be a nobleman. :rolleyes:
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Wolter wrote:I think it hides a hidden elitism. Oh, Shakespeare couldn't have been some dirty actor. It had to be a nobleman. :rolleyes:
Well, to be fair, your kind are filthy, brainless mongrels.
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Nobody is ever going to know for sure. People should just enjoy the plays without being preoccupied with questions about their authorship.
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Colin wrote:Nobody is ever going to know for sure. People should just enjoy the plays without being preoccupied with questions about their authorship.
My other, less class-war-based take.
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Shakespiricy

I think it was Wolt who first informed me that there was no such thing as Shakespeare
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Wolter wrote:I think it hides a hidden elitism. Oh, Shakespeare couldn't have been some dirty actor. It had to be a nobleman. :rolleyes:
I admit that I have only a superficial knowledge of the critique, but isn't it rooted in part in the notion that knowledge of other civilizations, especially royal families, suggests a mobility and access denied to most commoners? For historical detective work, that seems a very fair question to raise.

Nevertheless, I can't see getting in a fuss about it. It's about the texts and the meanings that audiences for the past four centuries have generated from them.
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tepista wrote:Shakespiricy

I think it was Wolt who first informed me that there was no such thing as Shakespeare
Not me. I'm totally single bullet on the Shakespeare front.
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Wolter wrote:
tepista wrote:Shakespiricy

I think it was Wolt who first informed me that there was no such thing as Shakespeare
Not me. I'm totally single bullet on the Shakespeare front.
Lee Harvey Oswald wrote all of Shakespeare's plays and most of his sonnets?
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Flex wrote:
Wolter wrote:
tepista wrote:Shakespiricy

I think it was Wolt who first informed me that there was no such thing as Shakespeare
Not me. I'm totally single bullet on the Shakespeare front.
Lee Harvey Oswald wrote all of Shakespeare's plays and most of his sonnets?
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One of my favorite IMCT/Satch's blow-ups was when SalsburrySteak5000 or Guitar Wolf Stealth or one of them said something to the effect of "Shakespeare is one of the worst writers of all time". I may have to search the archives now..
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Still216 wrote:One of my favorite IMCT/Satch's blow-ups was when SalsburrySteak5000 or Guitar Wolf Stealth or one of them said something to the effect of "Shakespeare is one of the worst writers of all time". I may have to search the archives now..
Yeah! That might have been the turning point when I went from being annoyed by Steakhead to hating him. Ah, the seduction of sweeping and extremist statements …
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I thought it was Stealth. I know his random swipe at Tom Waits was what made me start mocking Guitar Wolf nonstop just to piss him off.
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Sounds more like stealthy, but I'm not sure.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:I think it hides a hidden elitism. Oh, Shakespeare couldn't have been some dirty actor. It had to be a nobleman. :rolleyes:
I admit that I have only a superficial knowledge of the critique, but isn't it rooted in part in the notion that knowledge of other civilizations, especially royal families, suggests a mobility and access denied to most commoners? For historical detective work, that seems a very fair question to raise.
It seems more than plausible to me that a Glove maker's son could educate himself. I think we treat the past as though people were completely different just because it was before we were born. Touring up and down the land and speaking to people in Taverns you're bound to learn some things.For an actor old scripts could be a wealth of information,

Have you lot sat down and read any of his stuff lately? It's fucking excellent. The Sonnets blow my mind.
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