Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

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Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

Post by Mimi » 30 Apr 2009, 9:00pm

I'm sure this is probably old news to some but what do you think of this?

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Re: Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

Post by Wolter » 30 Apr 2009, 11:17pm

I think it hides a hidden elitism. Oh, Shakespeare couldn't have been some dirty actor. It had to be a nobleman. :rolleyes:
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Re: Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

Post by Flex » 30 Apr 2009, 11:18pm

Wolter wrote:I think it hides a hidden elitism. Oh, Shakespeare couldn't have been some dirty actor. It had to be a nobleman. :rolleyes:
Well, to be fair, your kind are filthy, brainless mongrels.
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Re: Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

Post by Colin » 30 Apr 2009, 11:39pm

Nobody is ever going to know for sure. People should just enjoy the plays without being preoccupied with questions about their authorship.
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Re: Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

Post by Wolter » 30 Apr 2009, 11:40pm

Colin wrote:Nobody is ever going to know for sure. People should just enjoy the plays without being preoccupied with questions about their authorship.
My other, less class-war-based take.
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Re: Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

Post by tepista » 01 May 2009, 12:01am

Shakespiricy

I think it was Wolt who first informed me that there was no such thing as Shakespeare
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Re: Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

Post by Dr. Medulla » 01 May 2009, 12:02am

Wolter wrote:I think it hides a hidden elitism. Oh, Shakespeare couldn't have been some dirty actor. It had to be a nobleman. :rolleyes:
I admit that I have only a superficial knowledge of the critique, but isn't it rooted in part in the notion that knowledge of other civilizations, especially royal families, suggests a mobility and access denied to most commoners? For historical detective work, that seems a very fair question to raise.

Nevertheless, I can't see getting in a fuss about it. It's about the texts and the meanings that audiences for the past four centuries have generated from them.
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Re: Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

Post by Wolter » 01 May 2009, 12:06am

tepista wrote:Shakespiricy

I think it was Wolt who first informed me that there was no such thing as Shakespeare
Not me. I'm totally single bullet on the Shakespeare front.
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Re: Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

Post by Flex » 01 May 2009, 12:07am

Wolter wrote:
tepista wrote:Shakespiricy

I think it was Wolt who first informed me that there was no such thing as Shakespeare
Not me. I'm totally single bullet on the Shakespeare front.
Lee Harvey Oswald wrote all of Shakespeare's plays and most of his sonnets?
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Re: Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

Post by Dr. Medulla » 01 May 2009, 12:10am

Flex wrote:
Wolter wrote:
tepista wrote:Shakespiricy

I think it was Wolt who first informed me that there was no such thing as Shakespeare
Not me. I'm totally single bullet on the Shakespeare front.
Lee Harvey Oswald wrote all of Shakespeare's plays and most of his sonnets?
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Re: Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

Post by Still216 » 01 May 2009, 9:09am

One of my favorite IMCT/Satch's blow-ups was when SalsburrySteak5000 or Guitar Wolf Stealth or one of them said something to the effect of "Shakespeare is one of the worst writers of all time". I may have to search the archives now..
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 01 May 2009, 9:27am

Still216 wrote:One of my favorite IMCT/Satch's blow-ups was when SalsburrySteak5000 or Guitar Wolf Stealth or one of them said something to the effect of "Shakespeare is one of the worst writers of all time". I may have to search the archives now..
Yeah! That might have been the turning point when I went from being annoyed by Steakhead to hating him. Ah, the seduction of sweeping and extremist statements …
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Re: Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

Post by Wolter » 01 May 2009, 9:45am

I thought it was Stealth. I know his random swipe at Tom Waits was what made me start mocking Guitar Wolf nonstop just to piss him off.
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Post by Olaf » 01 May 2009, 9:46am

Sounds more like stealthy, but I'm not sure.

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Re: Will the real Shakespeare please stand up?

Post by Silent Majority » 01 May 2009, 9:58am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:I think it hides a hidden elitism. Oh, Shakespeare couldn't have been some dirty actor. It had to be a nobleman. :rolleyes:
I admit that I have only a superficial knowledge of the critique, but isn't it rooted in part in the notion that knowledge of other civilizations, especially royal families, suggests a mobility and access denied to most commoners? For historical detective work, that seems a very fair question to raise.
It seems more than plausible to me that a Glove maker's son could educate himself. I think we treat the past as though people were completely different just because it was before we were born. Touring up and down the land and speaking to people in Taverns you're bound to learn some things.For an actor old scripts could be a wealth of information,

Have you lot sat down and read any of his stuff lately? It's fucking excellent. The Sonnets blow my mind.
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