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Wolter wrote:HA! Flex KILLS me!
Didn't Alf hate cats or something? I don't actually remember much of the show.
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Wolter wrote:HA! Flex KILLS me!
Didn't Alf hate cats or something? I don't actually remember much of the show.
You can watch it on WGN on Sunday afternoons.

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BR16ADE_R055E wrote:
Flex wrote:
Wolter wrote:HA! Flex KILLS me!
Didn't Alf hate cats or something? I don't actually remember much of the show.
You can watch it on WGN on Sunday afternoons.
I just noticed that on Wikipedia. I might have to try and check it out again. On the other hand, I'm not sure if I want my vague childhood memories ruined by the harsh realities of the actual quality of the show.
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Flex wrote:
BR16ADE_R055E wrote:
Flex wrote:
Wolter wrote:HA! Flex KILLS me!
Didn't Alf hate cats or something? I don't actually remember much of the show.
You can watch it on WGN on Sunday afternoons.
I just noticed that on Wikipedia. I might have to try and check it out again. On the other hand, I'm not sure if I want my vague childhood memories ruined by the harsh realities of the actual quality of the show.
He ate cats. And the show is not very good.
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Flex wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:Unfortunately, I don't think it was. The GLUS people were rather humourless and overly earnest when I was a student, and it didn't seem like they were working a smarter angle. Still, it was funny to see all the agros, who normally wore super tight Wranglers and cowboys shirts, suddenly show up in "going to court" suits just for that day. Ain't nobody gonna think they was faggots …
Here's the wikipedia article on the event: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Blue_Jeans_Day

And from the wiki, a link to a marketer's analysis of the event: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog ... jeans.html

Eh, I see some value in this kind of thing. Effectiveness probably varies quite a bit, but I'd say this is a cut above asking the Pet Shop Boys to change their name.
If the intent was to force homophobes to alter their behaviour, it worked, I guess, tho it didn't really "out" them, either—it's not like these assholes hid the fact that they hated fags. A line was drawn in the sand and some eagerly picked a side while others didn't know that there was a line. Ambiguous at best.
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Wolter wrote:
Flex wrote:
BR16ADE_R055E wrote:
Flex wrote:
Wolter wrote:HA! Flex KILLS me!
Didn't Alf hate cats or something? I don't actually remember much of the show.
You can watch it on WGN on Sunday afternoons.
I just noticed that on Wikipedia. I might have to try and check it out again. On the other hand, I'm not sure if I want my vague childhood memories ruined by the harsh realities of the actual quality of the show.
He ate cats. And the show is not very good.
Alf might be better than Small Wonder...not sure...

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BR16ADE_R055E wrote:Alf might be better than Small Wonder...not sure...
I, for one, do not have the desire to give this the proper scientific rigor to ascertain the answer.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:If the intent was to force homophobes to alter their behaviour, it worked, I guess, tho it didn't really "out" them, either—it's not like these assholes hid the fact that they hated fags. A line was drawn in the sand and some eagerly picked a side while others didn't know that there was a line. Ambiguous at best.
That sounds like it probably has more to do with the ineptitude of marketing strategy of your group specifically rather than a wholesale rejection of the strategy.

Speaking anecdotally, lots of people want to completely avoid the subject of homosexuality and how they deal with the issue. Done well, this sort of tactic seems like it could help deal with that problem. While I haven't participated in this particular event, I'm familiar with similar exercises and I would label them more "imperfect" than out and out futile.

Messaging and outreach is always a problem, but viral strategies do work. Actions like the one being discussed can be effective as one tool in a larger arsenal.
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Wolter wrote:
BR16ADE_R055E wrote:Alf might be better than Small Wonder...not sure...
I, for one, do not have the desire to give this the proper scientific rigor to ascertain the answer.
Apparently, the dvds released and all episodes now are edited for syndication. I'll assume that the poor quality of the show stems from it being sullied by editing out crucial characterization and plot. Secure in this knowledge, I feel no need to sully my memories with inferior, trimmed down Alf episodes.

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Flex wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:If the intent was to force homophobes to alter their behaviour, it worked, I guess, tho it didn't really "out" them, either—it's not like these assholes hid the fact that they hated fags. A line was drawn in the sand and some eagerly picked a side while others didn't know that there was a line. Ambiguous at best.
That sounds like it probably has more to do with the ineptitude of marketing strategy of your group specifically rather than a wholesale rejection of the strategy.

Speaking anecdotally, lots of people want to completely avoid the subject of homosexuality and how they deal with the issue. Done well, this sort of tactic seems like it could help deal with that problem. While I haven't participated in this particular event, I'm familiar with similar exercises and I would label them more "imperfect" than out and out futile.

Messaging and outreach is always a problem, but viral strategies do work. Actions like the one being discussed can be effective as one tool in a larger arsenal.
Oh no, I'm definitely not rejecting those kinds of tactics altogether, just how well they are thought out and what the optimal result is. Who is being targeted and to what end? It might actually be more effective now—not sure how open homophobia is on campus in Saskatoon, even amongst agros and engineers. If these guys normally have reason to hide their bigotry, then it becomes a more useful tactic.
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Honestly, PETA has no focus. It's a ban animal cruelty practices, veganism advocacy, anti- big business, anti- pet abuse, pro- animal protection legislation, pro- conservation, shock and annoy, anti-celebrity, batshit radical faux-revolutionary, pro- organic food or anti-food period, utopian dreamland tune-out/drop-out anti-society, pro- political correctness, nanny state or police state, chain-self-to-trees, occasional bestiality undercurrent, excuse-to-act-like-obnoxious-self-important-dumbshit group all in one. Pulled in 97 different directions and completely ineffective as a result. And who has control of the message for the next 5 minutes boils down to who is the loudest, craziest, most unstable screaming fake-anarchist blowhards who drown out the moderate membership who actually take their meds and don't do bad drugs. And they're a complete joke and universally loathed because of it.

If they pursued one cause or a set of related causes and pursued them relentlessly, even with loose cannons in tow they might make a difference. Even better if they did so semi-professionally. The ACLU is loathed by many but look at how strict-constructionist they are in what causes they pursue. They don't discriminate who they represent, but the rights they try to defend ALWAYS fall within very strict areas and rarely extend beyond (most of the time). They do important work, even if you don't agree with the individual cases. And generally the ones who hate EVERY SINGLE CASE they're involved with are self-important blowhards themselves who want to legislate a worldview. But there's no platform at PETA whatsoever except for who can shrilly and self-defeatingly attention-whore an often nutcase cause, and they collect causes like uber-cat ladies collect strays until the only common thread connecting it all is legislating human nature. I can't support an outfit so selfish and representative of the worst of humankind.


I do donate to the MSPCA hospital in the area. That's a very focused and very professional organization that does one thing and one thing well, and one thing I can relate to as a pet owner who spent my whole life with dogs or cats as members of the family. But fuck PETA; they need to be destroyed as an umbrella organization and split up into SANE component groups that don't actually set back their causes by pissing off everyone including those half-sympathetic.

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Rat Patrol wrote:The ACLU is loathed by many but look at how strict-constructionist they are in what causes they pursue. They don't discriminate who they represent, but the rights they try to defend ALWAYS fall within very strict areas and rarely extend beyond (most of the time). They do important work, even if you don't agree with the individual cases. And generally the ones who hate EVERY SINGLE CASE they're involved with are self-important blowhards themselves who want to legislate a worldview.
Very good example. The ACLU filed an amicus brief regarding Rush Limbaugh's medical records re. his addiction (I think it was just that; maybe they were even more active), or defended the Klan march in a Jewish neighbourhood. That it's seemingly always tagged as a "liberal" organization says more about which party is assaulting American liberties more often.
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Both parties assault liberties just as often.
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eumaas wrote:Both parties assault liberties just as often.
You couldn't be more wrong.
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