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eumaas wrote:Flex, you might be interested in the first. It's from (pre-anarchism?) Roderick Long and discusses a polycentric law system but in the context of a national government. Reading that, some thoughts occurred. You might even be able to build a broader modular system out of that, e.g. allowing people to opt out of certain taxes as long as they agree to surrender a right to certain services--that would satisfy the statist anti-welfare crowd, wouldn't it? There are plenty of rich people who are liberal in outlook and willing to pay taxes for the greater good of welfare for instance so I don't think welfare funding would be an issue, especially if there's a tit-for-tat renunciation of national services. Certainly variations in the design of the state have not been exhausted, so just from a model-building angle you could probably come up with some interesting schemes that satisfy individual liberty to a greater extent than current systems. Of course I oppose all states, but some are more tolerable than others! When I was a kid I would think up different governmental structures as a thought experiment to try and understand why things shake out like they do. I'm probably one of a very few people who liked to write constitutions as a kid. I also thought dinosaurs were cool, though, so I guess it all evens out.
Sorry for the (extremely) late response, I finally read the Long piece. You're right, I do like it quite a bit. The flexibility a system like that, or as you describe, would afford is immensely appealing. One thing I've been grateful for having a Colorado background was having the notion that local concerns are best addressed locally (I think the more populous coasts think they can just mandate what the rest of the country should be doing when they have no idea how the interior needs to function), and it seemed intuitive to me that if we use that logic our aim should be create as many localized states as possible. Something I used to argue for (although much less eloquently that this article and without some of the historical context of, say, Iceland) and will still occasionally let loose with when liquored up appropriately.

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eumaas wrote:Flex, you might be interested in the first. It's from (pre-anarchism?) Roderick Long and discusses a polycentric law system but in the context of a national government. Reading that, some thoughts occurred. You might even be able to build a broader modular system out of that, e.g. allowing people to opt out of certain taxes as long as they agree to surrender a right to certain services--that would satisfy the statist anti-welfare crowd, wouldn't it? There are plenty of rich people who are liberal in outlook and willing to pay taxes for the greater good of welfare for instance so I don't think welfare funding would be an issue, especially if there's a tit-for-tat renunciation of national services. Certainly variations in the design of the state have not been exhausted, so just from a model-building angle you could probably come up with some interesting schemes that satisfy individual liberty to a greater extent than current systems. Of course I oppose all states, but some are more tolerable than others! When I was a kid I would think up different governmental structures as a thought experiment to try and understand why things shake out like they do. I'm probably one of a very few people who liked to write constitutions as a kid. I also thought dinosaurs were cool, though, so I guess it all evens out.
Sorry for the (extremely) late response, I finally read the Long piece. You're right, I do like it quite a bit. The flexibility a system like that, or as you describe, would afford is immensely appealing. One thing I've been grateful for having a Colorado background was having the notion that local concerns are best addressed locally (I think the more populous coasts think they can just mandate what the rest of the country should be doing when they have no idea how the interior needs to function), and it seemed intuitive to me that if we use that logic our aim should be create as many localized states as possible. Something I used to argue for (although much less eloquently that this article and without some of the historical context of, say, Iceland) and will still occasionally let loose with when liquored up appropriately.

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As a kid I was playing football, fighting, shagging birds, drinking, and genuinely just being a kid...fuck me Flex that's a heavy childhood. ;)
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Roderick Long is in serious financial trouble. Any of youse who've enjoyed his posts, consider sending him a little mutual aid. I'm going to sell a couple books in order to send him some dough.

http://aaeblog.com/2009/07/21/request-f ... ency-help/
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eumaas wrote:Roderick Long is in serious financial trouble. Any of youse who've enjoyed his posts, consider sending him a little mutual aid. I'm going to sell a couple books in order to send him some dough.

http://aaeblog.com/2009/07/21/request-f ... ency-help/
I sent him a little bread, as they say.
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Dutch sailor girl put under care
A Dutch court has put a 13-year-old girl under state care for two months, stalling her bid to become the youngest person to sail solo around the world.

The decision by three Utrecht judges means Laura Dekker's parents, who support her plans, temporarily lose the right to make decisions about her.

A child psychologist will now assess her capacity to undertake the voyage.

Miss Dekker, who was not at the court, will continue to live with her father, Dick Dekker.

Mr Dekker - who did not make any immediate comment on the ruling - had earlier had a request for her to miss two years of school turned down.

Miss Dekker had planned to spend about two years aboard her 26ft (8m) boat, Guppy, to break the record set this week by a 17-year-old UK boy.

Mike Perham tackled 50ft waves, gale force winds and technical problems during the 28,000 mile (45,000km) circumnavigation, which took him nine months.

'Live freely'

The Dutch Child Protection Agency had requested Miss Dekker be made a ward of court because, it said, it was "irresponsible for such a young girl to make a two-year solo trip around the world".

The judges agreed, ruling Miss Dekker would face mental and physical risks if she were allowed to go ahead with her planned record attempt.

"The parents are going to have to negotiate all important decisions regarding Laura [Dekker] with the child protection services," said a court statement.

"This means that Laura cannot start her round-the-world trip without their [child protection services] agreement."

Miss Dekker has been put under the guardianship of the Utrecht Youth Care agency - which will not allow her to set sail - and the case will be reviewed after two months.

Peter de Lange, the Dekkers' lawyer, described the case as "exceptional".

"The crucial question is whether it is wrong for parents to allow their child to indulge in her passion," he told Radio Netherlands.

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Caroline Vink, a senior adviser on youth protection in the Netherlands, said the case needed to be "looked into".

"We're talking about a 13-year-old," she told the BBC. "You can also question whether she's able to take this decision for herself, and whether the parents are making the decision in the best interests of Laura."

Miss Dekker was reportedly born on a yacht off the coast of New Zealand during a seven-year world trip.

She had a yacht by the age of six and began sailing solo when she was 10.

"Since I was 10 years old, I've known that I would like to sail around the world," she had earlier told Dutch television.

"I want simply to learn about the world and to live freely."
I think it's questionable parenting letting a 13-year old do this, even with all her experience, but I fail to see how this is the state's business.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:I think it's questionable parenting letting a 13-year old do this, even with all her experience, but I fail to see how this is the state's business.
Well, it isn't the state's business in any sense we'd like to think of it. It is their business in that the business of the state is to expand control at all opportunities.

My little "fuck the state" moment for the day:

Here's what the Obama administration is putting out there for sex ed:
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"The parts." Glad we're not all fucking children here.

That's from the government run and publicly financed 4parents.gov. Here's what their website says about marriage:
This Web site talks a lot about marriage, and that waiting until marriage is a sensible choice for your son or daughter to make when it comes to sex. But what’s so valuable about marriage? Why is marriage any different, or any better than other family situations?

First of all, let’s be clear on one important point. In general, children – and adults – do better in homes headed by a married mother and father.

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What are the benefits married people enjoy?

* Live longer.
* Have better physical and emotional health.
* Are happier.
* Earn more.
* Enjoy better sex lives.
The one thing I'd really hoped with Obama would be an easing up of some of the government-mandated social conservatism. Nope.
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I wanna dip my balls in it!

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Hehehehehe...the dad's name is Dick Dekker.
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As with what happened in the Vancouver airport tasering, what ends up biting the cops in the ass is less the abuse of power but the cover-up/lack of consequences. That's where people lose their faith in the concept of policing, where they realize that it ain't a few bad apples but the whole goddamn system that protects them.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
As with what happened in the Vancouver airport tasering, what ends up biting the cops in the ass is less the abuse of power but the cover-up/lack of consequences. That's where people lose their faith in the concept of policing, where they realize that it ain't a few bad apples but the whole goddamn system that protects them.
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/135952.html

There's at least five, usually up to a dozen, of these kinds of incidents a week I hear about. I can't help but wonder about all the ones that never make it to press.
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The first duty is to one's conscience. The maternal grandfather of a childhood friend was drafted into the German army in WWII and surrendered to the British in Africa the first chance he got. Spent the rest of the war as a POW then immigrated to Canada.
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