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Re: The Future of the Republican Party

Post by eumaas » 10 Mar 2009, 3:23pm

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Re: The Future of the Republican Party

Post by Bankrobber » 10 Mar 2009, 4:04pm

David Frum on Rush Limbaugh:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/188279
Rush is a walking stereotype of self-indulgence
Rush is to the Republicanism of the 2000s what Jesse Jackson was to the Democratic party in the 1980s
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party

Post by Dr. Medulla » 10 Mar 2009, 4:06pm

Bankrobber wrote:David Frum on Rush Limbaugh:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/188279
Rush is a walking stereotype of self-indulgence
Rush is to the Republicanism of the 2000s what Jesse Jackson was to the Democratic party in the 1980s
I read that a few days ago. It's not a bad critique overall, tho I don't get the impression Frum has any idea where the GOP should go regain any sense of legitimacy to the broader electorate.
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party

Post by Wolter » 10 Mar 2009, 4:09pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
Bankrobber wrote:David Frum on Rush Limbaugh:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/188279
Rush is a walking stereotype of self-indulgence
Rush is to the Republicanism of the 2000s what Jesse Jackson was to the Democratic party in the 1980s
I read that a few days ago. It's not a bad critique overall, tho I don't get the impression Frum has any idea where the GOP should go regain any sense of legitimacy to the broader electorate.
I read the article last week and saw him on Hardball last night. Nothing he has said has led me to conclude differently than you.
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party

Post by Wolter » 10 Mar 2009, 4:12pm

Though he did say the GOP needs to offer some sort of alternate plan if they are going to vote against the bailout (which he does disagree with and thinks Republicans should vote against.), because otherwise it looks like they are just playing politics and have no core principles. He didn't offer any actual sort of plan, but admitting that they need one is probably the first step to recovery. :rolleyes:
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party

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I'm just glad somebody isn't totally scared of Rush. Looks like Frum is being shunned by the Hannities and Levins of the world. They make sure to add "the Canadian" before his name when mentioned.
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party

Post by eumaas » 10 Mar 2009, 4:13pm

I don't see any reason to vote against the latest round of economic interventionism if you didn't vote against the prior rounds.
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party

Post by Wolter » 10 Mar 2009, 4:15pm

eumaas wrote:I don't see any reason to vote against the latest round of economic interventionism if you didn't vote against the prior rounds.
Well, that's the point. Republicans only seem to develop conservative principles when they're not running the show.
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party

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Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:I don't see any reason to vote against the latest round of economic interventionism if you didn't vote against the prior rounds.
Well, that's the point. Republicans only seem to develop conservative principles when they're not running the show.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/gonigam4.html
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party

Post by Bankrobber » 10 Mar 2009, 4:24pm

Rush claims 20 million listeners
You know, I've always wondered how they tabulate radio ratings...is there a Nielson system? Anyway, I can only assume thousands listen to all three hours. Most only listen to 30mins or so while on lunch break.
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party

Post by Wolter » 10 Mar 2009, 4:26pm

Bankrobber wrote:
Rush claims 20 million listeners
You know, I've always wondered how they tabulate radio ratings...is there a Nielson system? Anyway, I can only assume thousands listen to all three hours.
Also, given the background noise tendency talk radio has (at least for me), how many of his listeners are still in the mold of the mindless, slavering dittoheads of the 90s, vs. "eh, it keeps me from dozing off in traffic."
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party

Post by Dr. Medulla » 10 Mar 2009, 4:27pm

Wolter wrote:Though he did say the GOP needs to offer some sort of alternate plan if they are going to vote against the bailout (which he does disagree with and thinks Republicans should vote against.), because otherwise it looks like they are just playing politics and have no core principles. He didn't offer any actual sort of plan, but admitting that they need one is probably the first step to recovery. :rolleyes:
I suppose he gets credit for say that if they don't know which direction to turn, hitting the brakes before driving off the cliff is a positive step.
Bankrobber wrote:I'm just glad somebody isn't totally scared of Rush. Looks like Frum is being shunned by the Hannities and Levins of the world. They make sure to add "the Canadian" before his name when mentioned.
His mother, Barbara Frum was a monster of the CBC national news. Gingrich is the only other notable who has called out Limbaugh and the rest of the party to stop thinking that they can transplant Reagan. He's wrong about Reagan in the 80s, but at least he's smart enough to realize that circumstances dictate policy, not blind faith in an ideology.
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party

Post by Bankrobber » 10 Mar 2009, 4:28pm

Wolter wrote:
Bankrobber wrote:
Rush claims 20 million listeners
You know, I've always wondered how they tabulate radio ratings...is there a Nielson system? Anyway, I can only assume thousands listen to all three hours.
Also, given the background noise tendency talk radio has (at least for me), how many of his listeners are still in the mold of the mindless, slavering dittoheads of the 90s, vs. "eh, it keeps me from dozing off in traffic."
I will admit it is entertainiing in a masochistic way. I listen to Rush in the 15min drive home after class. I rationalize it by saying "I know what the enemy thinks" but really it is just something to vent rage at while I'm alone.
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party

Post by Dr. Medulla » 10 Mar 2009, 4:29pm

Wolter wrote:
Bankrobber wrote:
Rush claims 20 million listeners
You know, I've always wondered how they tabulate radio ratings...is there a Nielson system? Anyway, I can only assume thousands listen to all three hours.
Also, given the background noise tendency talk radio has (at least for me), how many of his listeners are still in the mold of the mindless, slavering dittoheads of the 90s, vs. "eh, it keeps me from dozing off in traffic."
My old boss in NC was a stereotypical baby boomer liberal intellectual. He lived in Durham and commuted around sixty miles to Greensboro each morning and listened to right wing talk radio to get him angry and ready to take on university administrators. Whatever works, I guess.
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party

Post by Dr. Medulla » 10 Mar 2009, 6:39pm

A liberal's defense of Rush. I reject it completely.
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