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From what I've read, amendments to the constitution comport with the founder's idea of an amendable document but, like, nothing else counts. It's idiotic since, insofar as it matters at all, the founders did envision both the courts and other political entities being able to set and interpret law. But, whatever.
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It's probably already been quoted but, more American citizens have been killed by gun crime in the USA in the past 50 years than all American soldiers killed in all wars the US has fought in.
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To those oppose gun control, it's a price worth paying. Every dead body is an acceptable cost for the kind of society they want.101Walterton wrote:It's probably already been quoted but, more American citizens have been killed by gun crime in the USA in the past 50 years than all American soldiers killed in all wars the US has fought in.
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And if a bunch of people getting massacred in a movie theater, a bunch of SIX YEAR OLDS getting massacred at school, and a friggin congresswoman getting shot in the head point blank and somehow surviving doesn't move congress to do anything, the murder of 50 people in the LGBT community certainly won't. We can't even get universal background checks passed, and 90% of the country supports them. The NRA runs this country.101Walterton wrote:It's probably already been quoted but, more American citizens have been killed by gun crime in the USA in the past 50 years than all American soldiers killed in all wars the US has fought in.
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There's only one scenario where I can see congress passing gun control legislation - if radical muslims decide to do shooting sprees like every weekend and kill lots and lots of white people. Then and probably on then, would we collective say, "okay, maybe it shouldn't be so easy to buy a gun."JennyB wrote:And if a bunch of people getting massacred in a movie theater, a bunch of SIX YEAR OLDS getting massacred at school, and a friggin congresswoman getting shot in the head point blank and somehow surviving doesn't move congress to do anything, the murder of 50 people in the LGBT community certainly won't. We can't even get universal background checks passed, and 90% of the country supports them. The NRA runs this country.101Walterton wrote:It's probably already been quoted but, more American citizens have been killed by gun crime in the USA in the past 50 years than all American soldiers killed in all wars the US has fought in.
California Governor Ronald Reagan was present when the protesters arrived and later commented that he saw “no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” and that guns were a “ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.” In a later press conference, Reagan added that the Mulford Act “would work no hardship on the honest citizen."
- Ronald Reagan passing gun control legislation in California due to fears over the rise of the Black Panthers.
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That scenario would more likely lead to mass incarceration of Muslims/anyone dusky looking rather than meaningful gun control.matedog wrote:There's only one scenario where I can see congress passing gun control legislation - if radical muslims decide to do shooting sprees like every weekend and kill lots and lots of white people. Then and probably on then, would we collective say, "okay, maybe it shouldn't be so easy to buy a gun."JennyB wrote:And if a bunch of people getting massacred in a movie theater, a bunch of SIX YEAR OLDS getting massacred at school, and a friggin congresswoman getting shot in the head point blank and somehow surviving doesn't move congress to do anything, the murder of 50 people in the LGBT community certainly won't. We can't even get universal background checks passed, and 90% of the country supports them. The NRA runs this country.101Walterton wrote:It's probably already been quoted but, more American citizens have been killed by gun crime in the USA in the past 50 years than all American soldiers killed in all wars the US has fought in.
As with most other social problems, I don't see anything significant happening until enough Boomers are dead and more Millennials and whatever we call the generation is that comes next—those who came of age amidst mass shootings and, I would hope, want it to end—achieves sufficient political influence. Boomers and Xers are, on the whole, impediments to serious social justice achievements. So, hold tight for another fifteen years or so and then hope there's still something worth saving.
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In about fifteen years, I believe the demographics will have shifted so caucasians won't be the majority in the US. That'll do the country some good.Dr. Medulla wrote:That scenario would more likely lead to mass incarceration of Muslims/anyone dusky looking rather than meaningful gun control.matedog wrote:There's only one scenario where I can see congress passing gun control legislation - if radical muslims decide to do shooting sprees like every weekend and kill lots and lots of white people. Then and probably on then, would we collective say, "okay, maybe it shouldn't be so easy to buy a gun."JennyB wrote:And if a bunch of people getting massacred in a movie theater, a bunch of SIX YEAR OLDS getting massacred at school, and a friggin congresswoman getting shot in the head point blank and somehow surviving doesn't move congress to do anything, the murder of 50 people in the LGBT community certainly won't. We can't even get universal background checks passed, and 90% of the country supports them. The NRA runs this country.101Walterton wrote:It's probably already been quoted but, more American citizens have been killed by gun crime in the USA in the past 50 years than all American soldiers killed in all wars the US has fought in.
As with most other social problems, I don't see anything significant happening until enough Boomers are dead and more Millennials and whatever we call the generation is that comes next—those who came of age amidst mass shootings and, I would hope, want it to end—achieves sufficient political influence. Boomers and Xers are, on the whole, impediments to serious social justice achievements. So, hold tight for another fifteen years or so and then hope there's still something worth saving.
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That too. Regardless, any hope that I have for the US rests on actuarial tables and the awful eating habits of white Boomers and Xers.Silent Majority wrote:In about fifteen years, I believe the demographics will have shifted so caucasians won't be the majority in the US. That'll do the country some good.Dr. Medulla wrote:That scenario would more likely lead to mass incarceration of Muslims/anyone dusky looking rather than meaningful gun control.matedog wrote:There's only one scenario where I can see congress passing gun control legislation - if radical muslims decide to do shooting sprees like every weekend and kill lots and lots of white people. Then and probably on then, would we collective say, "okay, maybe it shouldn't be so easy to buy a gun."JennyB wrote:And if a bunch of people getting massacred in a movie theater, a bunch of SIX YEAR OLDS getting massacred at school, and a friggin congresswoman getting shot in the head point blank and somehow surviving doesn't move congress to do anything, the murder of 50 people in the LGBT community certainly won't. We can't even get universal background checks passed, and 90% of the country supports them. The NRA runs this country.101Walterton wrote:It's probably already been quoted but, more American citizens have been killed by gun crime in the USA in the past 50 years than all American soldiers killed in all wars the US has fought in.
As with most other social problems, I don't see anything significant happening until enough Boomers are dead and more Millennials and whatever we call the generation is that comes next—those who came of age amidst mass shootings and, I would hope, want it to end—achieves sufficient political influence. Boomers and Xers are, on the whole, impediments to serious social justice achievements. So, hold tight for another fifteen years or so and then hope there's still something worth saving.
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As much as this terrible election seems apocalyptically disheartening we all must remember that it's just the demented death screeches of the Old White American Hegemony after 400 years. The cunts weren't going to die well.Dr. Medulla wrote:That too. Regardless, any hope that I have for the US rests on actuarial tables and the awful eating habits of white Boomers and Xers.Silent Majority wrote:In about fifteen years, I believe the demographics will have shifted so caucasians won't be the majority in the US. That'll do the country some good.Dr. Medulla wrote:That scenario would more likely lead to mass incarceration of Muslims/anyone dusky looking rather than meaningful gun control.matedog wrote:There's only one scenario where I can see congress passing gun control legislation - if radical muslims decide to do shooting sprees like every weekend and kill lots and lots of white people. Then and probably on then, would we collective say, "okay, maybe it shouldn't be so easy to buy a gun."JennyB wrote: And if a bunch of people getting massacred in a movie theater, a bunch of SIX YEAR OLDS getting massacred at school, and a friggin congresswoman getting shot in the head point blank and somehow surviving doesn't move congress to do anything, the murder of 50 people in the LGBT community certainly won't. We can't even get universal background checks passed, and 90% of the country supports them. The NRA runs this country.
As with most other social problems, I don't see anything significant happening until enough Boomers are dead and more Millennials and whatever we call the generation is that comes next—those who came of age amidst mass shootings and, I would hope, want it to end—achieves sufficient political influence. Boomers and Xers are, on the whole, impediments to serious social justice achievements. So, hold tight for another fifteen years or so and then hope there's still something worth saving.
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I've mentioned before that the fascinating thing about this election is that we can actually see an empire die, perhaps a republic collapse. Most of this stuff can only be appreciated in hindsight, but it's obviously that a top-heavy corrupt system built on top-down looting and fear-mongering is on its last legs. Maybe it embraces the id this time around and goes into full devour mode, but more likely Clinton becomes a caretaker to inherit further body blows. James Buchanan, if you will.Silent Majority wrote:As much as this terrible election seems apocalyptically disheartening we all must remember that it's just the demented death screeches of the Old White American Hegemony after 400 years. The cunts weren't going to die well.
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Oh man, she's the perfect Buchanan. Except, she's willing to go to war.Dr. Medulla wrote:I've mentioned before that the fascinating thing about this election is that we can actually see an empire die, perhaps a republic collapse. Most of this stuff can only be appreciated in hindsight, but it's obviously that a top-heavy corrupt system built on top-down looting and fear-mongering is on its last legs. Maybe it embraces the id this time around and goes into full devour mode, but more likely Clinton becomes a caretaker to inherit further body blows. James Buchanan, if you will.Silent Majority wrote:As much as this terrible election seems apocalyptically disheartening we all must remember that it's just the demented death screeches of the Old White American Hegemony after 400 years. The cunts weren't going to die well.
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History repeating as tragedy then farce and all that.Wolter wrote:Oh man, she's the perfect Buchanan. Except, she's willing to go to war.Dr. Medulla wrote:I've mentioned before that the fascinating thing about this election is that we can actually see an empire die, perhaps a republic collapse. Most of this stuff can only be appreciated in hindsight, but it's obviously that a top-heavy corrupt system built on top-down looting and fear-mongering is on its last legs. Maybe it embraces the id this time around and goes into full devour mode, but more likely Clinton becomes a caretaker to inherit further body blows. James Buchanan, if you will.Silent Majority wrote:As much as this terrible election seems apocalyptically disheartening we all must remember that it's just the demented death screeches of the Old White American Hegemony after 400 years. The cunts weren't going to die well.
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