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Re: The Political Gun Thread

Post by Wolter » 10 Jan 2009, 1:56pm

Heston wrote:I've never held a gun or seen anyone use a gun and I want to keep it that way. I see them as dangerous penis extensions.
I don't, but that's because I foolishly installed a literal dangerous penis extension in 1999. Now I can't be around microwave ovens or my groin heats up to over 600 degrees celsius.
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Re: The Political Gun Thread

Post by eumaas » 10 Jan 2009, 1:59pm

Heston wrote:I see them as dangerous penis extensions.
Whereas I don't see fucking as being at all related to killing.
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Re: The Political Gun Thread

Post by eumaas » 10 Jan 2009, 2:06pm

Silent Majority wrote:The human hands are not a Instrument of Death (or any other Harvey Keitel film); there's countless fun things you can do with them :shifty: . I suppose this is a case of Idealism versus Reality. I would hope that if someone broke into a Stranger's house, then the stranger would handle the situation in a way that minimalizes the human damage. Whereas if I found someone in my house, I'd decapitate them and live with the consequences. Joking aside, if I were forced to take a human life it would haunt me forever, but that wouldn't stop me from protecting myself. I don't think this is hypocrisy, but it might smell like that.
You didn't really answer my question. If the attacker had a gun, would you prefer to have an less effective weapon?
Not the norm, but in certain extreme examples of urban centers in an armed society, like East LA or parts of Detroit the arms race continues. And that way M.A.D.ness lies.
I wouldn't put the blame for that on the weapons themselves. Actually, if we pursued militia style defense over a militarized police force I'd say we'd fare a bit better. Centralization and authoritarianism is hardly ever the solution. I realize I'm in the minority with this opinion.
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Re: The Political Gun Thread

Post by Mimi » 10 Jan 2009, 2:56pm

Wolter wrote:
Heston wrote:I've never held a gun or seen anyone use a gun and I want to keep it that way. I see them as dangerous penis extensions.
I don't, but that's because I foolishly installed a literal dangerous penis extension in 1999. Now I can't be around microwave ovens or my groin heats up to over 600 degrees celsius.
Talk about a Hot Pocket. :shifty:

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Re: The Political Gun Thread

Post by Silent Majority » 10 Jan 2009, 3:10pm

eumaas wrote:
Silent Majority wrote:The human hands are not a Instrument of Death (or any other Harvey Keitel film); there's countless fun things you can do with them :shifty: . I suppose this is a case of Idealism versus Reality. I would hope that if someone broke into a Stranger's house, then the stranger would handle the situation in a way that minimalizes the human damage. Whereas if I found someone in my house, I'd decapitate them and live with the consequences. Joking aside, if I were forced to take a human life it would haunt me forever, but that wouldn't stop me from protecting myself. I don't think this is hypocrisy, but it might smell like that.
You didn't really answer my question. If the attacker had a gun, would you prefer to have an less effective weapon?
The short answer's no, but that doesn't make any killing, or any device that can only be used for killing, righteous. I'd murder, but I'm a bit of a bastard like that. I piss on the toilet seat too.
eumaas wrote: I wouldn't put the blame for that on the weapons themselves. Actually, if we pursued militia style defense over a militarized police force I'd say we'd fare a bit better. Centralization and authoritarianism is hardly ever the solution. I realize I'm in the minority with this opinion.
I think due to human nature, a lack of people to answer to leads to misdeeds. If a person can get away with something, they will. A militia would become drunk on it's power a la Homer Simpson when he was chasing the cat burglar.
eumaas wrote: There's a lot I've inherited from history that I don't like: the state, violence, exploitation, Jane Austen.
The Brontes, though. They were kick arse.
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Re: The Political Gun Thread

Post by eumaas » 10 Jan 2009, 3:16pm

Silent Majority wrote:The short answer's no, but that doesn't make any killing, or any device that can only be used for killing, righteous. I'd murder, but I'm a bit of a bastard like that. I piss on the toilet seat too.
Well, I'd say you're a hypocrite if you'd like to deprive another.
I think due to human nature, a lack of people to answer to leads to misdeeds. If a person can get away with something, they will. A militia would become drunk on it's power a la Homer Simpson when he was chasing the cat burglar.
Eh, I really don't want to get into another discussion of anarchism. I've gone over this stuff before and suffice it to say 1. it's not as simple as all that, and 2. if you're against people having that sort of power, why would you restrict it to fewer people? after all, power corrupts, and the more concentrated the power, the more awful the corruption--absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'd rather "decentralize the badness" as P. J. O'Rourke put it.
The Brontes, though. They were kick arse.
Also terrible. Much of English literature from that period is simply awful.
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Re: The Political Gun Thread

Post by Silent Majority » 10 Jan 2009, 3:35pm

eumaas wrote:Well, I'd say you're a hypocrite if you'd like to deprive another.
Deprive another of the joy of killing? It's only in these extreme, unlikely, horror-story scenarios that I'd ever consider murder being partway acceptable.

Eh, I really don't want to get into another discussion of anarchism. I've gone over this stuff before and suffice it to say 1. it's not as simple as all that, and 2. if you're against people having that sort of power, why would you restrict it to fewer people? after all, power corrupts, and the more concentrated the power, the more awful the corruption--absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'd rather "decentralize the badness" as P. J. O'Rourke put it.
Fair enough. You've done the reading and all I've got is a series of unsupported gut reactions. I'd rather not get into a debate where the balance of knowledge is stacked against me.
The Brontes, though. They were kick arse.
Also terrible. Much of English literature from that period is simply awful.
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Re: The Political Gun Thread

Post by eumaas » 10 Jan 2009, 3:45pm

Silent Majority wrote:Deprive another of the joy of killing? It's only in these extreme, unlikely, horror-story scenarios that I'd ever consider murder being partway acceptable.
Nothing to do with joy. Just because hurting people might get your rocks off doesn't make it true for all gun owners. ;)
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Re: The Political Gun Thread

Post by Silent Majority » 10 Jan 2009, 4:21pm

eumaas wrote:
Silent Majority wrote:Deprive another of the joy of killing? It's only in these extreme, unlikely, horror-story scenarios that I'd ever consider murder being partway acceptable.
Nothing to do with joy. Just because hurting people might get your rocks off doesn't make it true for all gun owners. ;)
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Re: The Political Gun Thread

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That's not the way to post a YouTube video of your gun collection, m'am. :ohboy:
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Re: The Political Gun Thread

Post by Silent Majority » 03 Apr 2018, 6:18pm

I like animals now. Guns, I'm essentially in the same place as I was nine years ago, but with more ambivalence around violent revolution than I once had.
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Re: The Political Gun Thread

Post by eumaas » 03 Apr 2018, 6:24pm

Silent Majority wrote:
03 Apr 2018, 6:18pm
I like animals now. Guns, I'm essentially in the same place as I was nine years ago, but with more ambivalence around violent revolution than I once had.
I don't really have much use for guns as the likelihood of more mass shootings seems to outweigh the likelihood of anything Pantheresque going on or even an armed revolution at the moment.

I still don't really like Austen, but the Brontes I am a little warmer on. I tend to prefer 18th to 19th century literature.
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Re: The Political Gun Thread

Post by Silent Majority » 03 Apr 2018, 6:28pm

eumaas wrote:
03 Apr 2018, 6:24pm
Silent Majority wrote:
03 Apr 2018, 6:18pm
I like animals now. Guns, I'm essentially in the same place as I was nine years ago, but with more ambivalence around violent revolution than I once had.
I don't really have much use for guns as the likelihood of more mass shootings seems to outweigh the likelihood of anything Pantheresque going on or even an armed revolution at the moment.
No, in America guns are a mass psychosis. I'm thinking more in the global south.
I still don't really like Austen, but the Brontes I am a little warmer on. I tend to prefer 18th to 19th century literature.
Jane Eyre - the character - is cool as hell.
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