Ugh...Vatican, why?

[mr. diem]

"who fucking cares whether children might result or might not?"

i dunno, the people who first chose to make civil arrangements/marriages thousands of years ago? i don't have the history background. in the history of the U.S., it's a big thing. kids need parents, heh.



if any homosexuals in California voted yes on prop 8, does that mean that they're bigots?
...and, if they did, they sure as hell better not tell.

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albatross!

[Dr. Medulla]

"who fucking cares whether children might result or might not?"

i dunno, the people who first chose to make civil arrangements/marriages thousands of years ago? i don't have the history background. in the history of the U.S., it's a big thing. kids need parents, heh.

Traditionally, marriage was mostly a property arrangement and a means of building alliances. Kids fell under the category, fundamentally, of property.

if any homosexuals in California voted yes on prop 8, does that mean that they're bigots?
...and, if they did, they sure as hell better not tell.

Any group that chooses to deny itself civil rights is self-loathing or fundamentally ignorant or cowed.

[mr. diem]

why would a yes prop 8 voting homosexual have to dumb, bovined or whatever?

need an example...
if said individual was not interested in being married now, or in the foreseeable future, then there's nothing in being allowed to marry that's in it for him. he's just lookin' out for no. 1 ya know.

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albatross!

[Guest]

why would a yes prop 8 voting homosexual have to dumb, bovined or whatever?

need an example...
if said individual was not interested in being married now, or in the foreseeable future, then there's nothing in being allowed to marry that's in it for him. he's just lookin' out for no. 1 ya know.

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albatross!

Yes, there must be millions, wait billions, of gay people who want to ruin it for the rest of them.

Your arguments are ridiculous.

need an example..
everything you've said in this thread.

[Dr. Medulla]

why would a yes prop 8 voting homosexual have to dumb, bovined or whatever?

need an example...
if said individual was not interested in being married now, or in the foreseeable future, then there's nothing in being allowed to marry that's in it for him. he's just lookin' out for no. 1 ya know.

This is really becoming sad—you're just grasping at straws rather than sensibly withdrawing.

[Wolter]

Just ignore him.

[Mimi]

Just ignore him.

We can't. He's not registered.

[Wolter]

Just ignore him.

We can't. He's not registered.

Yeah, but you can skip his posts.

[Mimi]

Just ignore him.

We can't. He's not registered.

Yeah, but you can skip his posts.

But...but...but...stop making sense, will you.

[Dr. Medulla]

Just ignore him.

We can't. He's not registered.

Yeah, but you can skip his posts.

You deny the allure of a retarded bigot? Don't you know how this Internet thing works?

[dpwolf]

Is Mr. Diem the Pope or in his clergy ?

It appears he's fully answered the original question of this thread - "ugh..Vatican, why?"

[dpwolf]

I live in a community property state. In other words, my wife and I didn't have to do anything to share all our property, give one of us visitation rights toward the other in a hospital, inherent the other's property should something happen, etc., other than throw a party for our family and friends, get some rings and sign a piece of paper (and we didn't have to do even that much.) Now one might think it would be fairly easy for a same-sex couple to structure their relationship, finances, etc. - through the formation of a joint bank accounts, property agreements, real estate deeds, partnerships with right of survival, etc. - so as to be equivalent to a married couple - but it is not so. It's not easy, nor is it quick or cheap. Even notwithstanding the planning, time, headache and expense of hiring a lawyer to do it right, the point is that for a married non-same-sex couple all that comes free and automatically. Our close friends, a lesbian couple, don't have it that easy. Even though they very much would like to have all that set up, after many years in a relationship together they still haven't made that investment of time and money, they haven't been able to and are therefore forced to constantly worry about it. Another thing is that even if they jumped through all the appropriate hoops in their home state what would do down if something happened in another state, or even worse another country. In short there is no good reason why it should be any more expensive or complex for a same-sex couple. It's complete bullshit. We all make the same commitment, for the same reasons. The only legal requirement should be to inform the state of your declaration of commitment and choice to share; that should be marriage. Anything further restriction or requirement is dogmatic, close-minded religious stupidity. Nobody should have to ask any church or state for permission to get married.

[Dr. Medulla]

Well said.

Now, about the Egyptians inventing the airplane …

[dpwolf]

Now, about the Egyptians inventing the airplane …

Oh yea, what about it?

[Flex]

It looks like the Egyptians invented the hovercar too! Awesome!