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Ugh...Vatican, why?

Post by JennyB » 02 Dec 2008, 6:15pm

The Vatican's Grotesque Approach to Homosexuality
by Michael A. Jones

Published December 02, 2008 @ 08:04AM PST

It's not everyday that the Vatican is called "grotesque" by mainstream publications. But that's what one of Italy's largest newspapers, La Stampa, labeled the Vatican as the Pope's home tries to block a non-binding proposed UN resolution calling on governments worldwide to decriminalize homosexuality.

The Vatican issued a "slippery slope" argument for their opposition to this measure, saying that it could lead to same-sex marriages throughout the world. Apparently us gay folks are like nuclear weapons that way - you allow one country to have them, and then all of a sudden....

For the Vatican to oppose this measure is not only grotesque, it's the antithesis of Christ-like.

The measure simply calls on governments around the world to (1) stop throwing homosexuals in jail, or in extreme circumstances (2) stop executing them. The resolution has been signed by every country in the European Union, and France is due to submit the resolution to the UN on December 10 - the day that we'll mark the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

So instead of aligning themselves with the EU countries on this issue, the Vatican has chosen to line itself up with Iran, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Burundi, Afghanistan, and Sudan and the nearly EIGHTY other countries that punish homosexuality with significant jail time or death. Way to go, Vatican. I think we can also appreciate the Vatican's complete lack of tact in issuing their statement of opposition on World AIDS Day 2008. The criminalization of homosexuality is one of the biggest impediments in fighting HIV/AIDS around the world.

And, to top it all off, the Vatican's opposition to this measure comes on the heels of an effort started in October to weed homosexual priests and seminary students out of the Church. The new Catholic policy, released by the Vatican's Congregation for Catholic Education, reiterated that men with "deep-seated" homosexual tendencies were unworthy of ordination, and urged seminaries to enlist the aid of psychologists in screening candidates for homosexuality and other "psychic disturbances."

I think what's psychically disturbing is that a Church with a rich history of a Gospel rooted in social justice is throwing that out the window to focus on an issue that Jesus never once mentioned in the entire New Testament. Now that really is grotesque.

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Post by 101Walterton » 02 Dec 2008, 7:00pm

JennyB wrote:The Vatican's Grotesque Approach to Homosexuality
by Michael A. Jones

Published December 02, 2008 @ 08:04AM PST

It's not everyday that the Vatican is called "grotesque" by mainstream publications. But that's what one of Italy's largest newspapers, La Stampa, labeled the Vatican as the Pope's home tries to block a non-binding proposed UN resolution calling on governments worldwide to decriminalize homosexuality.

The Vatican issued a "slippery slope" argument for their opposition to this measure, saying that it could lead to same-sex marriages throughout the world. Apparently us gay folks are like nuclear weapons that way - you allow one country to have them, and then all of a sudden....

For the Vatican to oppose this measure is not only grotesque, it's the antithesis of Christ-like.

The measure simply calls on governments around the world to (1) stop throwing homosexuals in jail, or in extreme circumstances (2) stop executing them. The resolution has been signed by every country in the European Union, and France is due to submit the resolution to the UN on December 10 - the day that we'll mark the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

So instead of aligning themselves with the EU countries on this issue, the Vatican has chosen to line itself up with Iran, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Burundi, Afghanistan, and Sudan and the nearly EIGHTY other countries that punish homosexuality with significant jail time or death. Way to go, Vatican. I think we can also appreciate the Vatican's complete lack of tact in issuing their statement of opposition on World AIDS Day 2008. The criminalization of homosexuality is one of the biggest impediments in fighting HIV/AIDS around the world.

And, to top it all off, the Vatican's opposition to this measure comes on the heels of an effort started in October to weed homosexual priests and seminary students out of the Church. The new Catholic policy, released by the Vatican's Congregation for Catholic Education, reiterated that men with "deep-seated" homosexual tendencies were unworthy of ordination, and urged seminaries to enlist the aid of psychologists in screening candidates for homosexuality and other "psychic disturbances."

I think what's psychically disturbing is that a Church with a rich history of a Gospel rooted in social justice is throwing that out the window to focus on an issue that Jesus never once mentioned in the entire New Testament. Now that really is grotesque.

Note the writer's name. :mrgreen:
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Post by dpwolf » 02 Dec 2008, 8:27pm

The new Catholic policy, released by the Vatican's Congregation for Catholic Education, reiterated that men with "deep-seated" homosexual tendencies were unworthy of ordination, and urged seminaries to enlist the aid of psychologists in screening candidates for homosexuality and other "psychic disturbances."
So I suppose those with shallow-seated homosexual tendencies are still worthy of ordination, but just how deep do you have to go to be deemed unworthy? Also, if homosexuality is a type of "psychic disturbance" why can't they avoid the cost of psychologists and simply use EMF detectors? Maybe they could hire those two roto rooter ghost hunter dudes.
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Post by Rat Patrol » 02 Dec 2008, 8:33pm

dpwolf wrote:Also, if homosexuality is a type of "psychic disturbance" why can't they avoid the cost of psychologists and simply use EMF detectors? Maybe they could hire those two roto rooter ghost hunter dudes.
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The criminalization of homosexuality is one of the biggest impediments in fighting HIV/AIDS around the world.
So is their denial of funding for contraception to third world countries.

I heard that the new Pope just forgave the Beatles - last week - for claiming they were bigger than Jesus. Way to keep your eye on the ball there, guys.
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Post by 101Walterton » 02 Dec 2008, 10:37pm

Still216 wrote:
The criminalization of homosexuality is one of the biggest impediments in fighting HIV/AIDS around the world.
So is their denial of funding for contraception to third world countries.

I heard that the new Pope just forgave the Beatles - last week - for claiming they were bigger than Jesus. Way to keep your eye on the ball there, guys.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 02 Dec 2008, 10:44pm

Still216 wrote:
The criminalization of homosexuality is one of the biggest impediments in fighting HIV/AIDS around the world.
So is their denial of funding for contraception to third world countries.

I heard that the new Pope just forgave the Beatles - last week - for claiming they were bigger than Jesus. Way to keep your eye on the ball there, guys.
It wasn't too long ago (maybe ten years?) that Galileo received a formal apology from the Church. Man, when an organization gets behind in the paperwork, it takes fucking forever to catch up …
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Post by Wolter » 02 Dec 2008, 10:48pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
Still216 wrote:
The criminalization of homosexuality is one of the biggest impediments in fighting HIV/AIDS around the world.
So is their denial of funding for contraception to third world countries.

I heard that the new Pope just forgave the Beatles - last week - for claiming they were bigger than Jesus. Way to keep your eye on the ball there, guys.
It wasn't too long ago (maybe ten years?) that Galileo received a formal apology from the Church. Man, when an organization gets behind in the paperwork, it takes fucking forever to catch up …
Well, to be fair, how many of us have remembered to apologize to Galileo?
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 02 Dec 2008, 10:50pm

Wolter wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Still216 wrote:
The criminalization of homosexuality is one of the biggest impediments in fighting HIV/AIDS around the world.
So is their denial of funding for contraception to third world countries.

I heard that the new Pope just forgave the Beatles - last week - for claiming they were bigger than Jesus. Way to keep your eye on the ball there, guys.
It wasn't too long ago (maybe ten years?) that Galileo received a formal apology from the Church. Man, when an organization gets behind in the paperwork, it takes fucking forever to catch up …
Well, to be fair, how many of us have remembered to apologize to Galileo?
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Post by Wolter » 02 Dec 2008, 10:53pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Still216 wrote:
The criminalization of homosexuality is one of the biggest impediments in fighting HIV/AIDS around the world.
So is their denial of funding for contraception to third world countries.

I heard that the new Pope just forgave the Beatles - last week - for claiming they were bigger than Jesus. Way to keep your eye on the ball there, guys.
It wasn't too long ago (maybe ten years?) that Galileo received a formal apology from the Church. Man, when an organization gets behind in the paperwork, it takes fucking forever to catch up …
Well, to be fair, how many of us have remembered to apologize to Galileo?
I keep confusing him with Gallagher.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 02 Dec 2008, 11:03pm

Wolter wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Still216 wrote: So is their denial of funding for contraception to third world countries.

I heard that the new Pope just forgave the Beatles - last week - for claiming they were bigger than Jesus. Way to keep your eye on the ball there, guys.
It wasn't too long ago (maybe ten years?) that Galileo received a formal apology from the Church. Man, when an organization gets behind in the paperwork, it takes fucking forever to catch up …
Well, to be fair, how many of us have remembered to apologize to Galileo?
I keep confusing him with Gallagher.
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Post by mr. diem » 03 Dec 2008, 3:21am

maybe there addressing the question...homosexual marriage?
why?

ever seen the flick Lenny? it's like he gets arrested for saying, uh

anyway, i was younger, i figured that the reason he got arrested was that he was using a swear word. hey, he was bedding Valerie Perrine, so he's not a fag. so what was the problem?

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Post by Dr. Medulla » 03 Dec 2008, 9:08am

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all rape jokes are not humorous.
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George Carlin disagrees:
Ohhh, some people don't like you to talk like that. Ohh, some people like to shut you up for saying those things. You know that. Lots of people. Lots of groups in this country want to tell you how to talk. Tell you what you can't talk about. Well, sometimes they'll say, well you can talk about something but you can't joke about it. Say you can't joke about something because it's not funny. Comedians run into that shit all the time. Like rape. They'll say, "you can't joke about rape. Rape's not funny." I say, "fuck you, I think it's hilarious. How do you like that?" I can prove to you that rape is funny. Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd.
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Post by eumaas » 03 Dec 2008, 9:41am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
mr. diem wrote: -----------------------------------------------------------------
all rape jokes are not humorous.
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George Carlin disagrees:
Ohhh, some people don't like you to talk like that. Ohh, some people like to shut you up for saying those things. You know that. Lots of people. Lots of groups in this country want to tell you how to talk. Tell you what you can't talk about. Well, sometimes they'll say, well you can talk about something but you can't joke about it. Say you can't joke about something because it's not funny. Comedians run into that shit all the time. Like rape. They'll say, "you can't joke about rape. Rape's not funny." I say, "fuck you, I think it's hilarious. How do you like that?" I can prove to you that rape is funny. Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd.
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