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dpwolf wrote:
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dpwolf wrote:It seems to me that to press the issue and obtain the truth to which we are entitled, we should feel free to assume the worse case scenario as to the government's involvement and spit out accusations, however outlandish, until at least all the known facts have been disclosed. Beat that dead horse! We need an autopsy.
As a tactic, do you think that it's one geared towards success? Sadly, Oliver Stone became a punchline because of JFK, in part because he took somewhat of a kitchen sink approach. Honestly, I don't know what strategy would be best for getting a full revelation of the WC's documents before the expiration of the court order.
At least its an attempt to get at the truth by allowing the government to jump in and dismiss those theories it can easily and quickly, leaving alternate theories including the truth more discoverable; I admit it doesn't appear to work that way but honestly don't know of any other strategy which would work better.
The thing is, who even gets a chance to ask the question and get an official response? In all the voices demanding an answer for something, the Kennedy assassination just doesn't carry much weight anymore. Apart from denying FOIA requests, govt has no real response as it's a settled question.

BTW, have you ever seen a documentary called The Men Who Killed Kennedy. I remember it airing on A & E in the early 90s but I didn't watch it. Supposedly it has an interview with one of the assassins. Just curious about the whole doc's credibility.
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eumaas wrote:The world is flat, morons!
They have a web page: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublons ... ociety.htm
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:The world is flat, morons!
They have a web page: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublons ... ociety.htm
I used to communicate on usenet with Lee Harvey Oswald Smith, a Discordian and President of a Flat Earth Society:
http://web.archive.org/web/200009160844 ... /faq.mhtml
Unfortunately I never joined his group. One of my goals in the next four years is to join a platygaeanist group.

I like these guys:
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/in ... ic=11211.0
I feel that there is a fascistic element, for example, in the Rolling Stones . . .
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Dr. Medulla wrote:have you ever seen a documentary called The Men Who Killed Kennedy. I remember it airing on A & E in the early 90s but I didn't watch it. Supposedly it has an interview with one of the assassins. Just curious about the whole doc's credibility.
Nope, I hadn't heard of it.
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eumaas wrote:The world is flat, morons!
They have a web page: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublons ... ociety.htm
I like their disclaimer:

The Flat Earth Society is not in any way responsible for the failure of the French to repel the Germans at the Maginot Line during WWII. Nor is the Flat Earth Society responsible for the recent yeti sightings outside the Vatican, or for the unfortunate enslavement of the Nabisco Inc. factory employees by a rogue hamster insurrectionist group. Furthermore, we are not responsible for the loss of one or more of the following, which may possibly occur as the result of exposing one's self to the dogmatic and dangerously subversive statements made within: life, limb, vision, Francois Mitterand, hearing, taste, smell, touch, thumb, Aunt Mildred, citizenship, spleen, bedrock, cloves, I Love Lucy reruns, toaster, pine derby racer, toy duck, antelope, horseradish, prosthetic ankle, double-cheeseburger, tin foil, limestone, watermelon-scented air freshner, sanity, paprika, German to Pig Latin dictionary, dish towel, pet Chihuahua, pogo stick, Golf Digest subscription, floor tile, upper torso or halibut.

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dpwolf wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:The world is flat, morons!
They have a web page: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublons ... ociety.htm
I like their disclaimer:

The Flat Earth Society is not in any way responsible for the failure of the French to repel the Germans at the Maginot Line during WWII. Nor is the Flat Earth Society responsible for the recent yeti sightings outside the Vatican, or for the unfortunate enslavement of the Nabisco Inc. factory employees by a rogue hamster insurrectionist group. Furthermore, we are not responsible for the loss of one or more of the following, which may possibly occur as the result of exposing one's self to the dogmatic and dangerously subversive statements made within: life, limb, vision, Francois Mitterand, hearing, taste, smell, touch, thumb, Aunt Mildred, citizenship, spleen, bedrock, cloves, I Love Lucy reruns, toaster, pine derby racer, toy duck, antelope, horseradish, prosthetic ankle, double-cheeseburger, tin foil, limestone, watermelon-scented air freshner, sanity, paprika, German to Pig Latin dictionary, dish towel, pet Chihuahua, pogo stick, Golf Digest subscription, floor tile, upper torso or halibut.

I'm pretty sure these guys are Discordians like LHO Smith was (is? Is he even alive still?). One thing about us Discordians is that we often promulgate views we don't actually hold. :shifty:
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eumaas wrote:One thing about us Discordians is that we often promulgate views we don't actually hold. :shifty:
I'm getting that impression. So what's the relationship between Discordians and Anarchists?

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dpwolf wrote:
eumaas wrote:One thing about us Discordians is that we often promulgate views we don't actually hold. :shifty:
I'm getting that impression. So what's the relationship between Discordians and Anarchists?

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Zenarchy.
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dpwolf wrote:
eumaas wrote:One thing about us Discordians is that we often promulgate views we don't actually hold. :shifty:
I'm getting that impression. So what's the relationship between Discordians and Anarchists?
Check please!
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eumaas wrote:Zenarchy
I'm stuck on Socrates/Logicians v. Phaedrus/Sophists. It's easy to break something down by logic but it's much more difficult to create a lasting theory, regime or other structure. Intellect, words, numbers and logic are merely knives; they need direction. From my extremely abbreviated investigation and limited understanding of Discord and Zenarchy, and anarchy, they all seem focused upon joking irrational critiques, which are okay, but generally upon breaking things down rather than finding (or asserting) a solution.
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dpwolf wrote:
eumaas wrote:One thing about us Discordians is that we often promulgate views we don't actually hold. :shifty:
I'm getting that impression. So what's the relationship between Discordians and Anarchists?

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eumaas wrote:Zenarchy
I'm stuck on Socrates/Logicians v. Phaedrus/Sophists. It's easy to break something down by logic but it's much more difficult to create a lasting theory, regime or other structure. Intellect, words, numbers and logic are merely knives; they need direction. From my extremely abbreviated investigation and limited understanding of Discord and Zenarchy, and anarchy, they all seem focused upon joking irrational critiques, which are okay, but generally upon breaking things down rather than finding (or asserting) a solution.
Read the Principia Discordia (and read it closely) and then read Zenarchy. You'll have an entirely different understanding.
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eumaas wrote:
dpwolf wrote:
eumaas wrote:Zenarchy
I'm stuck on Socrates/Logicians v. Phaedrus/Sophists. It's easy to break something down by logic but it's much more difficult to create a lasting theory, regime or other structure. Intellect, words, numbers and logic are merely knives; they need direction. From my extremely abbreviated investigation and limited understanding of Discord and Zenarchy, and anarchy, they all seem focused upon joking irrational critiques, which are okay, but generally upon breaking things down rather than finding (or asserting) a solution.
Read the Principia Discordia (and read it closely) and then read Zenarchy. You'll have an entirely different understanding.
It's hyperrational.
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Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:
dpwolf wrote:
eumaas wrote:Zenarchy
I'm stuck on Socrates/Logicians v. Phaedrus/Sophists. It's easy to break something down by logic but it's much more difficult to create a lasting theory, regime or other structure. Intellect, words, numbers and logic are merely knives; they need direction. From my extremely abbreviated investigation and limited understanding of Discord and Zenarchy, and anarchy, they all seem focused upon joking irrational critiques, which are okay, but generally upon breaking things down rather than finding (or asserting) a solution.
Read the Principia Discordia (and read it closely) and then read Zenarchy. You'll have an entirely different understanding.
It's hyperrational.
Roger that.
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