why I did not vote for Obama

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eumaas wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
eumaas wrote:Freedom is not a gift doled out by the state.
No but it is protected by the State you know that.
Nope.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. Some chick said that back in the 60s.
then don't go killing all the bees

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dpwolf wrote:
eumaas wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
eumaas wrote:Freedom is not a gift doled out by the state.
No but it is protected by the State you know that.
Nope.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. Some chick said that back in the 60s.
Fuckin hippies!
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eumaas wrote:
dpwolf wrote:
eumaas wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
eumaas wrote:Freedom is not a gift doled out by the state.
No but it is protected by the State you know that.
Nope.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. Some chick said that back in the 60s.
Fuckin hippies!
with or without you....................

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101Walterton wrote:
eumaas wrote:
dpwolf wrote:
eumaas wrote:
101Walterton wrote: No but it is protected by the State you know that.
Nope.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. Some chick said that back in the 60s.
Fuckin hippies!
with or without you....................
U2? Et tu?
then don't go killing all the bees

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Re: why I did not vote for Obama

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101Walterton wrote:
eumaas wrote:
dpwolf wrote:
eumaas wrote:
101Walterton wrote: No but it is protected by the State you know that.
Nope.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. Some chick said that back in the 60s.
Fuckin hippies!
with or without you....................
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Re: why I did not vote for Obama

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:ohboy: Look what "the messiah" is doing to IMCT. This can't be good!

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Schnix wrote::ohboy: Look what "the messiah" is doing to IMCT. This can't be good!
He's bringing on the Bonopocalypse!
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Schnix wrote::ohboy: Look what "the messiah" is doing to IMCT. This can't be good!
he's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy

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Benjamin Tucker wrote:...such voluntary association would be entitled to enforce whatever regulations the contracting parties might agree upon within the limits of whatever territory, or divisions of territoy, had been brought into the association by these parties as individual occupiers thereof, and no non-contracting party would have a right to enter or remain in this domain except upon such terms as the association might impose.

But if, somewhere between these divisions of territory, had lived, prior to the formation of the association, some individual on his homestead, who, for any reason, wise or foolish, had declined to join in forming the association, the contracting parties would have had no right to evict him, compel him to join, make him pay for any incidental benefits that he might derive from proximity to their association, or restrict him in the exercise of any previously-enjoyed right to prevent him from reaping these benefits. Now, voluntary association necessarily involving the right of secession, any seceding member would naturally fall back into the position and upon the rights of the individual above described, who refused to join at all.

So much, then, for the attitude of the individual toward any voluntary association surrounding him, his support thereof evidently depending upon his approval or disapproval of its objects, his view of its efficiency in attaining them, and his estimate of the advantages and disadvantages involved in joining, seceding, or abstaining. But no individual to-day finds himself under any such circumstances. The States in the midst of which he lives cover all the ground there is, affording him no escape, and are not voluntary associations, but gigantic usurpations. There is not one of them which did not result from the agreement of a larger or smaller number of individuals, inspired sometimes no doubt by kindly, but oftener by malevolent, designs, to declare all the territory and persons within certain boundaries a nation which every one of these persons must support, and to whose will, expressed through its sovereign legislators and administrators no matter how chosen, every one of them must submit.

Such an institution is sheer tyranny, and has no rights which any individual is bound to respect; on the contrary, every individual who understands his rights and values his liberties will do his best to overthrow it. I think it must now be plain to Mr. Perrine why I do not feel bound either to pay taxes or to emigrate. Whether I will pay them or not is another question,—one of expediency.
http://fair-use.org/benjamin-tucker/ins ... o-taxation
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101Walterton wrote:
Schnix wrote::ohboy: Look what "the messiah" is doing to IMCT. This can't be good!
he's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy
'Romanes Eunt Domus'

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Schnix wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
Schnix wrote::ohboy: Look what "the messiah" is doing to IMCT. This can't be good!
he's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy
'Romanes Eunt Domus'
:mrgreen:

And to Obama: Bene merenti.
I feel that there is a fascistic element, for example, in the Rolling Stones . . .
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eumaas wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
eumaas wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
eumaas wrote: Spiff: the Naked Statist/Nude Apologist for the Establishment. ;)

Needless to say, I disagree, and I'd rather frame it this way: if you think the state is valuable and you believe in its utility, then it needs to be funded somehow, so pay your fucking taxes. Now, the structure of taxation (form and rate), what your taxes fund, and how effectively is that money allocated: those are all questions you can ask. But so long as you think the state is legitimate, it's your duty to pay taxes.

On the other hand, if you think it's an illegitimate entity, then not paying your taxes (tax resistance) is a form of civil disobedience I can respect, though I don't practice it for practical reasons (i.e. I like not being it jail).
Whilst enjoying the protection and freedom provided by the government as well as your access to education ?
Freedom is not a gift doled out by the state.
No but it is protected by the State you know that.
Nope.
I dont believe you mean that, its a no brainer.

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Re: why I did not vote for Obama

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101Walterton wrote:
eumaas wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
eumaas wrote:
101Walterton wrote: Whilst enjoying the protection and freedom provided by the government as well as your access to education ?
Freedom is not a gift doled out by the state.
No but it is protected by the State you know that.
Nope.
I dont believe you mean that, its a no brainer.
He does. And he's right.
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Wolter wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
eumaas wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
eumaas wrote: Freedom is not a gift doled out by the state.
No but it is protected by the State you know that.
Nope.
I dont believe you mean that, its a no brainer.
He does. And he's right.
You dont believe your freedom is protected by the State ?

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Re: why I did not vote for Obama

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101Walterton wrote: You dont believe your freedom is protected by the State ?
I'm by no means as knowledgeable as any of you, but perhaps another perspective is that the state affords some freedoms , whilst restricting some others? :huh:
What is your oppinion of our Western ways?

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