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Post by Jimmy Jazz » 30 Oct 2008, 1:07pm

"UK police are looking into the case and federal investigators have also been notified."

This confused me for a few seconds... then oh University of Kentucky got ya.

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Post by eumaas » 30 Oct 2008, 1:10pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:
tepista wrote: Is esquire a satire magazine? "Likes: Bedsheets"
The Metzger quote sounds a hell of a lot like Metzger. I suspect the quotes are real.
Weird, I never thought I'd agree with a Klansman:
I hate the transnational corporations far more than any black person.
Me too!
Most of the white separatist movement is virulently anti-capitalist.
Of the Wall Street/international kind, anyway.
Of either the current state capitalist system or neoliberal or genuinely freed market.

Third Positionists argue for greater decentralization, following Chesterbelloc. National-Anarchists, National Bolsheviks, etc also fit into this category. It's left-Nazism inspired by the Strasser brothers.

Traditional Nazis argue for extreme centralization (analogous to Stalin's system) or something closer to our system but with the state/party apparatus at the rudder (dirigism). Nazism is state capitalist too, but with the emphasis being on the state as the great controller whereas our system is state capitalist with already established privilege and elite private power directing the show.
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Post by Dr. Medulla » 30 Oct 2008, 1:17pm

eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote: The Metzger quote sounds a hell of a lot like Metzger. I suspect the quotes are real.
Weird, I never thought I'd agree with a Klansman:
I hate the transnational corporations far more than any black person.
Me too!
Most of the white separatist movement is virulently anti-capitalist.
Of the Wall Street/international kind, anyway.
Of either the current state capitalist system or neoliberal or genuinely freed market.

Third Positionists argue for greater decentralization, following Chesterbelloc. National-Anarchists, National Bolsheviks, etc also fit into this category. It's left-Nazism inspired by the Strasser brothers.

Traditional Nazis argue for extreme centralization (analogous to Stalin's system) or something closer to our system but with the state/party apparatus at the rudder (dirigism). Nazism is state capitalist too, but with the emphasis being on the state as the great controller whereas our system is state capitalist with already established privilege and elite private power directing the show.
Is your average Klansman that theoretically nuanced? My assumption (emphasis on assumption) is that they're of a segregated simplified myth of free labour—"an honest day's pay for an honest day's work."
Endut! Hoch Hech!

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Post by eumaas » 30 Oct 2008, 1:19pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Wolter wrote: Weird, I never thought I'd agree with a Klansman:
Me too!
Most of the white separatist movement is virulently anti-capitalist.
Of the Wall Street/international kind, anyway.
Of either the current state capitalist system or neoliberal or genuinely freed market.

Third Positionists argue for greater decentralization, following Chesterbelloc. National-Anarchists, National Bolsheviks, etc also fit into this category. It's left-Nazism inspired by the Strasser brothers.

Traditional Nazis argue for extreme centralization (analogous to Stalin's system) or something closer to our system but with the state/party apparatus at the rudder (dirigism). Nazism is state capitalist too, but with the emphasis being on the state as the great controller whereas our system is state capitalist with already established privilege and elite private power directing the show.
Is your average Klansman that theoretically nuanced? My assumption (emphasis on assumption) is that they're of a segregated simplified myth of free labour—"an honest day's pay for an honest day's work."
The Klan is pretty much a social club. Metzger doesn't have much to do with the traditional Klan.

Do not make the mistake of assuming these racists to be stupid. Their worldview is skewed, but much of the leaders exhibit a high degree of sophistication. Totalitarianism often attracts intellectuals.
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Post by Dr. Medulla » 30 Oct 2008, 1:31pm

eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote: Most of the white separatist movement is virulently anti-capitalist.
Of the Wall Street/international kind, anyway.
Of either the current state capitalist system or neoliberal or genuinely freed market.

Third Positionists argue for greater decentralization, following Chesterbelloc. National-Anarchists, National Bolsheviks, etc also fit into this category. It's left-Nazism inspired by the Strasser brothers.

Traditional Nazis argue for extreme centralization (analogous to Stalin's system) or something closer to our system but with the state/party apparatus at the rudder (dirigism). Nazism is state capitalist too, but with the emphasis being on the state as the great controller whereas our system is state capitalist with already established privilege and elite private power directing the show.
Is your average Klansman that theoretically nuanced? My assumption (emphasis on assumption) is that they're of a segregated simplified myth of free labour—"an honest day's pay for an honest day's work."
The Klan is pretty much a social club. Metzger doesn't have much to do with the traditional Klan.

Do not make the mistake of assuming these racists to be stupid. Their worldview is skewed, but much of the leaders exhibit a high degree of sophistication. Totalitarianism often attracts intellectuals.
Maybe so. Whenever I've heard these guys speak, it comes off as so crude that I've never associated them with anything close to sophisticated analysis.
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Post by eumaas » 30 Oct 2008, 1:35pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:Maybe so. Whenever I've heard these guys speak, it comes off as so crude that I've never associated them with anything close to sophisticated analysis.
I've spent time on far-right email lists doing research and some of these guys are pretty impressive.

EDIT: not that I think their premises and conclusions are at all valid, just that they can show a degree of sophistication that impresses me from a formal point of view.
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Post by Dr. Medulla » 30 Oct 2008, 1:37pm

eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:Maybe so. Whenever I've heard these guys speak, it comes off as so crude that I've never associated them with anything close to sophisticated analysis.
I've spent time on far-right email lists doing research and some of these guys are pretty impressive.
I will defer to you and your intimate Nazi connections … :shifty:
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Post by eumaas » 30 Oct 2008, 1:38pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:Maybe so. Whenever I've heard these guys speak, it comes off as so crude that I've never associated them with anything close to sophisticated analysis.
I've spent time on far-right email lists doing research and some of these guys are pretty impressive.
I will defer to you and your intimate Nazi connections … :shifty:
It's true that the footsoldiers are often morons, but the intellectuals aren't any less sophisticated than your average conservative or liberal think tanker.
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Post by Dr. Medulla » 30 Oct 2008, 2:15pm

eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:Maybe so. Whenever I've heard these guys speak, it comes off as so crude that I've never associated them with anything close to sophisticated analysis.
I've spent time on far-right email lists doing research and some of these guys are pretty impressive.
I will defer to you and your intimate Nazi connections … :shifty:
It's true that the footsoldiers are often morons, but the intellectuals aren't any less sophisticated than your average conservative or liberal think tanker.
You may be contradicting your earlier point about sophisticated thinking …
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Post by eumaas » 30 Oct 2008, 2:22pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:Maybe so. Whenever I've heard these guys speak, it comes off as so crude that I've never associated them with anything close to sophisticated analysis.
I've spent time on far-right email lists doing research and some of these guys are pretty impressive.
I will defer to you and your intimate Nazi connections … :shifty:
It's true that the footsoldiers are often morons, but the intellectuals aren't any less sophisticated than your average conservative or liberal think tanker.
You may be contradicting your earlier point about sophisticated thinking …
Sophistication is a relative thing. I obviously find left-libertarian cranks like me more sophisticated. But in relation to mainstream political thinking, they display the same degree of sophistication I think.
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Post by Bankrobber » 30 Oct 2008, 3:35pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:Maybe so. Whenever I've heard these guys speak, it comes off as so crude that I've never associated them with anything close to sophisticated analysis.
True, but hasn't Nazism always been about moronic, knee-jerk thugs at the ground level and super-elitist intellectuals at the top, like the SA and SS, respectively, during the '30's?
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Post by eumaas » 30 Oct 2008, 3:36pm

Bankrobber wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:Maybe so. Whenever I've heard these guys speak, it comes off as so crude that I've never associated them with anything close to sophisticated analysis.
True, but hasn't Nazism always been about moronic, knee-jerk thugs at the ground level and super-elitist intellectuals at the top, like the SA and SS, respectively, during the '30's?
You betcha!
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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