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Re: The Fucking Postal Service

Post by 101Walterton » 22 Aug 2018, 5:12pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:07pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 4:37pm
The story about NZ being "quaint UK" was true, shops closed at midday Saturday, pubs closed at 6pm and women weren't welcome, men wore long socks and sandals to work and everyone lived on a quarter acre section and mowed their lawns on Saturday afternoon. It was like 1950's southern England. Thanks to the EU, NZ aligned more with the US and over the past 20 years or so shot past the UK.
The first year I taught my rock history class, a student wrote a wonderful paper on the Dunedin Sound of southern NZ in the early 80s, and the difficulties of being a tight and supportive community yet ambitious and desiring outside recognition. He tied it to globalization and what it meant for NZ, about access to the world but letting the world have access to NZ. I knew zilch about that scene, so that alone made it enlightening, but more generally it was a smart use of music to explore larger historical problems.
Did alright for Lorde!!

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Re: The Fucking Postal Service

Post by Dr. Medulla » 22 Aug 2018, 5:16pm

101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:12pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:07pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 4:37pm
The story about NZ being "quaint UK" was true, shops closed at midday Saturday, pubs closed at 6pm and women weren't welcome, men wore long socks and sandals to work and everyone lived on a quarter acre section and mowed their lawns on Saturday afternoon. It was like 1950's southern England. Thanks to the EU, NZ aligned more with the US and over the past 20 years or so shot past the UK.
The first year I taught my rock history class, a student wrote a wonderful paper on the Dunedin Sound of southern NZ in the early 80s, and the difficulties of being a tight and supportive community yet ambitious and desiring outside recognition. He tied it to globalization and what it meant for NZ, about access to the world but letting the world have access to NZ. I knew zilch about that scene, so that alone made it enlightening, but more generally it was a smart use of music to explore larger historical problems.
Did alright for Lorde!!
Which, as I recall, was kind of his point. Individual bands may have benefited from international exposure, but what was lost was the community and sense of something distinctly New Zealander.
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Re: The Fucking Postal Service

Post by 101Walterton » 22 Aug 2018, 5:21pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:16pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:12pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:07pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 4:37pm
The story about NZ being "quaint UK" was true, shops closed at midday Saturday, pubs closed at 6pm and women weren't welcome, men wore long socks and sandals to work and everyone lived on a quarter acre section and mowed their lawns on Saturday afternoon. It was like 1950's southern England. Thanks to the EU, NZ aligned more with the US and over the past 20 years or so shot past the UK.
The first year I taught my rock history class, a student wrote a wonderful paper on the Dunedin Sound of southern NZ in the early 80s, and the difficulties of being a tight and supportive community yet ambitious and desiring outside recognition. He tied it to globalization and what it meant for NZ, about access to the world but letting the world have access to NZ. I knew zilch about that scene, so that alone made it enlightening, but more generally it was a smart use of music to explore larger historical problems.
Did alright for Lorde!!
Which, as I recall, was kind of his point. Individual bands may have benefited from international exposure, but what was lost was the community and sense of something distinctly New Zealander.
AKA the NZ tall poppy syndrome.

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Re: The Fucking Postal Service

Post by Dr. Medulla » 22 Aug 2018, 5:27pm

101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:16pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:12pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:07pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 4:37pm
The story about NZ being "quaint UK" was true, shops closed at midday Saturday, pubs closed at 6pm and women weren't welcome, men wore long socks and sandals to work and everyone lived on a quarter acre section and mowed their lawns on Saturday afternoon. It was like 1950's southern England. Thanks to the EU, NZ aligned more with the US and over the past 20 years or so shot past the UK.
The first year I taught my rock history class, a student wrote a wonderful paper on the Dunedin Sound of southern NZ in the early 80s, and the difficulties of being a tight and supportive community yet ambitious and desiring outside recognition. He tied it to globalization and what it meant for NZ, about access to the world but letting the world have access to NZ. I knew zilch about that scene, so that alone made it enlightening, but more generally it was a smart use of music to explore larger historical problems.
Did alright for Lorde!!
Which, as I recall, was kind of his point. Individual bands may have benefited from international exposure, but what was lost was the community and sense of something distinctly New Zealander.
AKA the NZ tall poppy syndrome.
But it is a legitimate and key question, about what distinction you're willing to sacrifice to gain access to the larger group. It can be applied to many different situations and locales, but the NZ example he used was especially effective because of NZ's obvious geographic isolation from the rest of the world.
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Re: The Fucking Postal Service

Post by 101Walterton » 22 Aug 2018, 5:46pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:27pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:16pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:12pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:07pm


The first year I taught my rock history class, a student wrote a wonderful paper on the Dunedin Sound of southern NZ in the early 80s, and the difficulties of being a tight and supportive community yet ambitious and desiring outside recognition. He tied it to globalization and what it meant for NZ, about access to the world but letting the world have access to NZ. I knew zilch about that scene, so that alone made it enlightening, but more generally it was a smart use of music to explore larger historical problems.
Did alright for Lorde!!
Which, as I recall, was kind of his point. Individual bands may have benefited from international exposure, but what was lost was the community and sense of something distinctly New Zealander.
AKA the NZ tall poppy syndrome.
But it is a legitimate and key question, about what distinction you're willing to sacrifice to gain access to the larger group. It can be applied to many different situations and locales, but the NZ example he used was especially effective because of NZ's obvious geographic isolation from the rest of the world.
Yes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
It is a catch 22 or at least it was before Youtube!!

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Re: The Fucking Postal Service

Post by Dr. Medulla » 22 Aug 2018, 5:54pm

101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:46pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:27pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:16pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:12pm


Did alright for Lorde!!
Which, as I recall, was kind of his point. Individual bands may have benefited from international exposure, but what was lost was the community and sense of something distinctly New Zealander.
AKA the NZ tall poppy syndrome.
But it is a legitimate and key question, about what distinction you're willing to sacrifice to gain access to the larger group. It can be applied to many different situations and locales, but the NZ example he used was especially effective because of NZ's obvious geographic isolation from the rest of the world.
Yes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
It is a catch 22 or at least it was before Youtube!!
Right, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.
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Re: The Fucking Postal Service

Post by 101Walterton » 22 Aug 2018, 6:05pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:54pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:46pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:27pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:16pm


Which, as I recall, was kind of his point. Individual bands may have benefited from international exposure, but what was lost was the community and sense of something distinctly New Zealander.
AKA the NZ tall poppy syndrome.
But it is a legitimate and key question, about what distinction you're willing to sacrifice to gain access to the larger group. It can be applied to many different situations and locales, but the NZ example he used was especially effective because of NZ's obvious geographic isolation from the rest of the world.
Yes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
It is a catch 22 or at least it was before Youtube!!
Right, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.
You cant go to a party in NZ without hearing this.


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Re: The Fucking Postal Service

Post by Dr. Medulla » 22 Aug 2018, 6:19pm

101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:05pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:54pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:46pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:27pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:21pm


AKA the NZ tall poppy syndrome.
But it is a legitimate and key question, about what distinction you're willing to sacrifice to gain access to the larger group. It can be applied to many different situations and locales, but the NZ example he used was especially effective because of NZ's obvious geographic isolation from the rest of the world.
Yes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
It is a catch 22 or at least it was before Youtube!!
Right, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.
You cant go to a party in NZ without hearing this.

Maybe it's a grower, but first listen … meh.
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Re: The Fucking Postal Service

Post by 101Walterton » 22 Aug 2018, 6:23pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:19pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:05pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:54pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:46pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:27pm


But it is a legitimate and key question, about what distinction you're willing to sacrifice to gain access to the larger group. It can be applied to many different situations and locales, but the NZ example he used was especially effective because of NZ's obvious geographic isolation from the rest of the world.
Yes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
It is a catch 22 or at least it was before Youtube!!
Right, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.
You cant go to a party in NZ without hearing this.

Maybe it's a grower, but first listen … meh.
It stays at the meh level, probably a ‘needed to be there’ song.

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Re: The Fucking Postal Service

Post by Dr. Medulla » 22 Aug 2018, 6:24pm

101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:23pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:19pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:05pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:54pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:46pm


Yes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
It is a catch 22 or at least it was before Youtube!!
Right, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.
You cant go to a party in NZ without hearing this.

Maybe it's a grower, but first listen … meh.
It stays at the meh level, probably a ‘needed to be there’ song.
Ah, like "World In Motion" (so I am told).
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Re: The Fucking Postal Service

Post by 101Walterton » 22 Aug 2018, 6:43pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:24pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:23pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:19pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:05pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:54pm


Right, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.
You cant go to a party in NZ without hearing this.

Maybe it's a grower, but first listen … meh.
It stays at the meh level, probably a ‘needed to be there’ song.
Ah, like "World In Motion" (so I am told).
Nah that's meh and I was there. Was that the Duranie?

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Re: The Fucking Postal Service

Post by Dr. Medulla » 22 Aug 2018, 6:58pm

101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:43pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:24pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:23pm
It stays at the meh level, probably a ‘needed to be there’ song.
Ah, like "World In Motion" (so I am told).
Nah that's meh and I was there. Was that the Duranie?
You had to ask? :lol: Marky may have been his ally in that line of defence, too.
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Re: The Fucking Postal Service

Post by 101Walterton » 22 Aug 2018, 7:07pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:58pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:43pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:24pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:23pm
It stays at the meh level, probably a ‘needed to be there’ song.
Ah, like "World In Motion" (so I am told).
Nah that's meh and I was there. Was that the Duranie?
You had to ask? :lol: Marky may have been his ally in that line of defence, too.
Found it, to be fair to the Duranie it was more Marky and SM. I think le Heston described it as 'better than what had come before' which is fair comment.

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Re: The Fucking Postal Service

Post by Dr. Medulla » 22 Aug 2018, 7:14pm

101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 7:07pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:58pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:43pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:24pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:23pm
It stays at the meh level, probably a ‘needed to be there’ song.
Ah, like "World In Motion" (so I am told).
Nah that's meh and I was there. Was that the Duranie?
You had to ask? :lol: Marky may have been his ally in that line of defence, too.
Found it, to be fair to the Duranie it was more Marky and SM. I think le Heston described it as 'better than what had come before' which is fair comment.
Well, my apologies to Heston. I guess I just assume he'll always defend awful.
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Re: The Fucking Postal Service

Post by hairydot61 » 23 Aug 2018, 6:57am

101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 6:05pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:54pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:46pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:27pm
101Walterton wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 5:21pm


AKA the NZ tall poppy syndrome.
But it is a legitimate and key question, about what distinction you're willing to sacrifice to gain access to the larger group. It can be applied to many different situations and locales, but the NZ example he used was especially effective because of NZ's obvious geographic isolation from the rest of the world.
Yes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
It is a catch 22 or at least it was before Youtube!!
Right, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.
You cant go to a party in NZ without hearing this.

Playing catch up!, ...certain records/songs can fall into the cultural net, where specifically you're country get the sentiment and the vibe, I don't know when that was released but it sounded like a lighter Beta Band with a tiny slice of early Blur, ..you know parties, alcohol, empathy, speaking from past experience, and doing mobile discos, the later in the evening and the more people have to drink the less their barriers are up and you can get away with playing More radical and leftfield music, it was always a buzz when some one would ask about a non chart tune you were playing...digressing, so N.Z now is pretty much up with 'modern' Culture, surpassing the UK, I think most males from the UK would find it weird or awkward to be in a situation say in NZ where women are treated differently, the film Once were warriors did highlight that cultural difference, in those times being male dominated and machismo, ...I wouldn't last 5 minutes :o) I love music from other cultures I find it really refreshing.
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