They say that music is a universal language and crosses boundarys and barriers, its a great medium to effect change, along with films, the movements that can be created by a music scene, the 60s, punk in the 70s, Acid House in the late 80s early 90s, you know that the Government here even passed a legislation about people meeting up and playing music with 'Repetitive beats'!!, theres a German record label called Echo Beach, they have some brilliant compilations of different takes on Reggae from around the world, I'd love to be able to play an insrtument properly :o)Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:07pmThe first year I taught my rock history class, a student wrote a wonderful paper on the Dunedin Sound of southern NZ in the early 80s, and the difficulties of being a tight and supportive community yet ambitious and desiring outside recognition. He tied it to globalization and what it meant for NZ, about access to the world but letting the world have access to NZ. I knew zilch about that scene, so that alone made it enlightening, but more generally it was a smart use of music to explore larger historical problems.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 4:37pmThe story about NZ being "quaint UK" was true, shops closed at midday Saturday, pubs closed at 6pm and women weren't welcome, men wore long socks and sandals to work and everyone lived on a quarter acre section and mowed their lawns on Saturday afternoon. It was like 1950's southern England. Thanks to the EU, NZ aligned more with the US and over the past 20 years or so shot past the UK.
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No, it didn’t highlight a cultural difference. The only thing Once Were Warriors highlighted was alcohol abuse, domestic violence and poverty which, sadly, is equally prevalent in the UK.hairydot61 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 6:57amPlaying catch up!, ...certain records/songs can fall into the cultural net, where specifically you're country get the sentiment and the vibe, I don't know when that was released but it sounded like a lighter Beta Band with a tiny slice of early Blur, ..you know parties, alcohol, empathy, speaking from past experience, and doing mobile discos, the later in the evening and the more people have to drink the less their barriers are up and you can get away with playing More radical and leftfield music, it was always a buzz when some one would ask about a non chart tune you were playing...digressing, so N.Z now is pretty much up with 'modern' Culture, surpassing the UK, I think most males from the UK would find it weird or awkward to be in a situation say in NZ where women are treated differently, the film Once were warriors did highlight that cultural difference, in those times being male dominated and machismo, ...I wouldn't last 5 minutes :o) I love music from other cultures I find it really refreshing.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:05pmYou cant go to a party in NZ without hearing this.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:54pmRight, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:46pmYes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:27pm
But it is a legitimate and key question, about what distinction you're willing to sacrifice to gain access to the larger group. It can be applied to many different situations and locales, but the NZ example he used was especially effective because of NZ's obvious geographic isolation from the rest of the world.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
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Yes, I suppose thats right, I'm seeing it from a different perspective, we do have our share of domestic abuse, theres more news coverage on it these days and alcohol is a major factor, talking of quaint UK, the local shops do shut pretty early in Cornwall out of town, took me a while to get used to that, but I love living close to the countryside, almost everytime I go to visit family in London theres a new structure ofr change of road infrastructure!.101Walterton wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 3:48pmNo, it didn’t highlight a cultural difference. The only thing Once Were Warriors highlighted was alcohol abuse, domestic violence and poverty which, sadly, is equally prevalent in the UK.hairydot61 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 6:57amPlaying catch up!, ...certain records/songs can fall into the cultural net, where specifically you're country get the sentiment and the vibe, I don't know when that was released but it sounded like a lighter Beta Band with a tiny slice of early Blur, ..you know parties, alcohol, empathy, speaking from past experience, and doing mobile discos, the later in the evening and the more people have to drink the less their barriers are up and you can get away with playing More radical and leftfield music, it was always a buzz when some one would ask about a non chart tune you were playing...digressing, so N.Z now is pretty much up with 'modern' Culture, surpassing the UK, I think most males from the UK would find it weird or awkward to be in a situation say in NZ where women are treated differently, the film Once were warriors did highlight that cultural difference, in those times being male dominated and machismo, ...I wouldn't last 5 minutes :o) I love music from other cultures I find it really refreshing.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:05pmYou cant go to a party in NZ without hearing this.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:54pmRight, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:46pm
Yes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
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That Chills song is 80's BTW.hairydot61 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 5:37pmYes, I suppose thats right, I'm seeing it from a different perspective, we do have our share of domestic abuse, theres more news coverage on it these days and alcohol is a major factor, talking of quaint UK, the local shops do shut pretty early in Cornwall out of town, took me a while to get used to that, but I love living close to the countryside, almost everytime I go to visit family in London theres a new structure ofr change of road infrastructure!.101Walterton wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 3:48pmNo, it didn’t highlight a cultural difference. The only thing Once Were Warriors highlighted was alcohol abuse, domestic violence and poverty which, sadly, is equally prevalent in the UK.hairydot61 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 6:57amPlaying catch up!, ...certain records/songs can fall into the cultural net, where specifically you're country get the sentiment and the vibe, I don't know when that was released but it sounded like a lighter Beta Band with a tiny slice of early Blur, ..you know parties, alcohol, empathy, speaking from past experience, and doing mobile discos, the later in the evening and the more people have to drink the less their barriers are up and you can get away with playing More radical and leftfield music, it was always a buzz when some one would ask about a non chart tune you were playing...digressing, so N.Z now is pretty much up with 'modern' Culture, surpassing the UK, I think most males from the UK would find it weird or awkward to be in a situation say in NZ where women are treated differently, the film Once were warriors did highlight that cultural difference, in those times being male dominated and machismo, ...I wouldn't last 5 minutes :o) I love music from other cultures I find it really refreshing.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:05pmYou cant go to a party in NZ without hearing this.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:54pm
Right, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.
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Had a read of their wiki which was fairly interesting, they came over to the UK to make an album called Sunburnt but two of the band were refused entry so the rest of the band put out a call for some session musicians and the drummer from Fairport Convention Dave Mattacks (Drums) and XTC's Dave Gregory (Bass) played the parts, like most bands the members are in and out and revolve round one remaining original member
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Haha that is interesting cheers.hairydot61 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 2:52amHad a read of their wiki which was fairly interesting, they came over to the UK to make an album called Sunburnt but two of the band were refused entry so the rest of the band put out a call for some session musicians and the drummer from Fairport Convention Dave Mattacks (Drums) and XTC's Dave Gregory (Bass) played the parts, like most bands the members are in and out and revolve round one remaining original member
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Counterpoint:
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don't get shirty!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 12:16pmCounterpoint:
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hairydot61 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 1:29pmdon't get shirty!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 12:16pmCounterpoint:
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If I could actually host pictures this would be 50% funnier, your T shirt was money well spentDr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 2:18pmhairydot61 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 1:29pmdon't get shirty!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 12:16pmCounterpoint:
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The sad face was related to the outbreak of Marky's Disease (aka Punmaker Syndrome). S'all good. Except the pun.hairydot61 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 2:48pmIf I could actually host pictures this would be 50% funnier, your T shirt was money well spentDr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 2:18pmhairydot61 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 1:29pmdon't get shirty!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 12:16pmCounterpoint:
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I did wonder whether that pun would travel or whether you would have to consult a LinguistDr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 4:02pmThe sad face was related to the outbreak of Marky's Disease (aka Punmaker Syndrome). S'all good. Except the pun.hairydot61 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 2:48pmIf I could actually host pictures this would be 50% funnier, your T shirt was money well spentDr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 2:18pmhairydot61 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 1:29pmdon't get shirty!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 12:16pmCounterpoint:
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Had a spare 3 hours before Match of the day and watched 'The Postman', all things considered, I must have part Pirate in my DNA as I prefered Waterworld, from a 2018 perspective I don't think the Postman film gave enough background to civilisations current predicament as indicated in the film, I read the wiki page about how they got to the current lawless state but I thought it was underplayed, or I missed something, I understand the film had strong symbolism in it, i.e the recociliation of The United States, I found some of it corny and Lakeview a land of Whimsy :o), there were some interesting concepts it threw up but I can see why it failed as a project, but you know my rose tinted spectacles are tinted by reality and that crack in the front of the case of The Georgia Satellites Live in N.Y that just crashed through my letterbox tells me they don't really care, Bastards.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 3:21pmIt makes Waterworld look like complete garbage.laxman wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 3:18pmI read the book years ago, seem to remember it was alright. I don’t think I have seen the film yet, or if I have then it wasn’t memorable!hairydot61 wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 2:19pmYet to catch up with that post apocalyptic epic, at least the fucker delivered old mail, a least they fucking got mail!,
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