Did alright for Lorde!!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:07pmThe first year I taught my rock history class, a student wrote a wonderful paper on the Dunedin Sound of southern NZ in the early 80s, and the difficulties of being a tight and supportive community yet ambitious and desiring outside recognition. He tied it to globalization and what it meant for NZ, about access to the world but letting the world have access to NZ. I knew zilch about that scene, so that alone made it enlightening, but more generally it was a smart use of music to explore larger historical problems.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 4:37pmThe story about NZ being "quaint UK" was true, shops closed at midday Saturday, pubs closed at 6pm and women weren't welcome, men wore long socks and sandals to work and everyone lived on a quarter acre section and mowed their lawns on Saturday afternoon. It was like 1950's southern England. Thanks to the EU, NZ aligned more with the US and over the past 20 years or so shot past the UK.
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Which, as I recall, was kind of his point. Individual bands may have benefited from international exposure, but what was lost was the community and sense of something distinctly New Zealander.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:12pmDid alright for Lorde!!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:07pmThe first year I taught my rock history class, a student wrote a wonderful paper on the Dunedin Sound of southern NZ in the early 80s, and the difficulties of being a tight and supportive community yet ambitious and desiring outside recognition. He tied it to globalization and what it meant for NZ, about access to the world but letting the world have access to NZ. I knew zilch about that scene, so that alone made it enlightening, but more generally it was a smart use of music to explore larger historical problems.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 4:37pmThe story about NZ being "quaint UK" was true, shops closed at midday Saturday, pubs closed at 6pm and women weren't welcome, men wore long socks and sandals to work and everyone lived on a quarter acre section and mowed their lawns on Saturday afternoon. It was like 1950's southern England. Thanks to the EU, NZ aligned more with the US and over the past 20 years or so shot past the UK.
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AKA the NZ tall poppy syndrome.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:16pmWhich, as I recall, was kind of his point. Individual bands may have benefited from international exposure, but what was lost was the community and sense of something distinctly New Zealander.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:12pmDid alright for Lorde!!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:07pmThe first year I taught my rock history class, a student wrote a wonderful paper on the Dunedin Sound of southern NZ in the early 80s, and the difficulties of being a tight and supportive community yet ambitious and desiring outside recognition. He tied it to globalization and what it meant for NZ, about access to the world but letting the world have access to NZ. I knew zilch about that scene, so that alone made it enlightening, but more generally it was a smart use of music to explore larger historical problems.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 4:37pmThe story about NZ being "quaint UK" was true, shops closed at midday Saturday, pubs closed at 6pm and women weren't welcome, men wore long socks and sandals to work and everyone lived on a quarter acre section and mowed their lawns on Saturday afternoon. It was like 1950's southern England. Thanks to the EU, NZ aligned more with the US and over the past 20 years or so shot past the UK.
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But it is a legitimate and key question, about what distinction you're willing to sacrifice to gain access to the larger group. It can be applied to many different situations and locales, but the NZ example he used was especially effective because of NZ's obvious geographic isolation from the rest of the world.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:21pmAKA the NZ tall poppy syndrome.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:16pmWhich, as I recall, was kind of his point. Individual bands may have benefited from international exposure, but what was lost was the community and sense of something distinctly New Zealander.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:12pmDid alright for Lorde!!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:07pmThe first year I taught my rock history class, a student wrote a wonderful paper on the Dunedin Sound of southern NZ in the early 80s, and the difficulties of being a tight and supportive community yet ambitious and desiring outside recognition. He tied it to globalization and what it meant for NZ, about access to the world but letting the world have access to NZ. I knew zilch about that scene, so that alone made it enlightening, but more generally it was a smart use of music to explore larger historical problems.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 4:37pmThe story about NZ being "quaint UK" was true, shops closed at midday Saturday, pubs closed at 6pm and women weren't welcome, men wore long socks and sandals to work and everyone lived on a quarter acre section and mowed their lawns on Saturday afternoon. It was like 1950's southern England. Thanks to the EU, NZ aligned more with the US and over the past 20 years or so shot past the UK.
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Yes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:27pmBut it is a legitimate and key question, about what distinction you're willing to sacrifice to gain access to the larger group. It can be applied to many different situations and locales, but the NZ example he used was especially effective because of NZ's obvious geographic isolation from the rest of the world.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:21pmAKA the NZ tall poppy syndrome.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:16pmWhich, as I recall, was kind of his point. Individual bands may have benefited from international exposure, but what was lost was the community and sense of something distinctly New Zealander.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:12pmDid alright for Lorde!!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:07pm
The first year I taught my rock history class, a student wrote a wonderful paper on the Dunedin Sound of southern NZ in the early 80s, and the difficulties of being a tight and supportive community yet ambitious and desiring outside recognition. He tied it to globalization and what it meant for NZ, about access to the world but letting the world have access to NZ. I knew zilch about that scene, so that alone made it enlightening, but more generally it was a smart use of music to explore larger historical problems.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
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Right, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:46pmYes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:27pmBut it is a legitimate and key question, about what distinction you're willing to sacrifice to gain access to the larger group. It can be applied to many different situations and locales, but the NZ example he used was especially effective because of NZ's obvious geographic isolation from the rest of the world.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:21pmAKA the NZ tall poppy syndrome.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:16pmWhich, as I recall, was kind of his point. Individual bands may have benefited from international exposure, but what was lost was the community and sense of something distinctly New Zealander.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
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You cant go to a party in NZ without hearing this.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:54pmRight, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:46pmYes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:27pmBut it is a legitimate and key question, about what distinction you're willing to sacrifice to gain access to the larger group. It can be applied to many different situations and locales, but the NZ example he used was especially effective because of NZ's obvious geographic isolation from the rest of the world.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:21pmAKA the NZ tall poppy syndrome.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:16pm
Which, as I recall, was kind of his point. Individual bands may have benefited from international exposure, but what was lost was the community and sense of something distinctly New Zealander.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
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Maybe it's a grower, but first listen … meh.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:05pmYou cant go to a party in NZ without hearing this.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:54pmRight, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:46pmYes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:27pmBut it is a legitimate and key question, about what distinction you're willing to sacrifice to gain access to the larger group. It can be applied to many different situations and locales, but the NZ example he used was especially effective because of NZ's obvious geographic isolation from the rest of the world.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
It is a catch 22 or at least it was before Youtube!!
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It stays at the meh level, probably a ‘needed to be there’ song.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:19pmMaybe it's a grower, but first listen … meh.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:05pmYou cant go to a party in NZ without hearing this.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:54pmRight, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:46pmYes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:27pm
But it is a legitimate and key question, about what distinction you're willing to sacrifice to gain access to the larger group. It can be applied to many different situations and locales, but the NZ example he used was especially effective because of NZ's obvious geographic isolation from the rest of the world.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
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Ah, like "World In Motion" (so I am told).101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:23pmIt stays at the meh level, probably a ‘needed to be there’ song.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:19pmMaybe it's a grower, but first listen … meh.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:05pmYou cant go to a party in NZ without hearing this.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:54pmRight, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:46pm
Yes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
It is a catch 22 or at least it was before Youtube!!
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Nah that's meh and I was there. Was that the Duranie?Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:24pmAh, like "World In Motion" (so I am told).101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:23pmIt stays at the meh level, probably a ‘needed to be there’ song.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:19pmMaybe it's a grower, but first listen … meh.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:05pmYou cant go to a party in NZ without hearing this.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:54pm
Right, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.
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You had to ask? Marky may have been his ally in that line of defence, too.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:43pmNah that's meh and I was there. Was that the Duranie?Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:24pmAh, like "World In Motion" (so I am told).101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:23pmIt stays at the meh level, probably a ‘needed to be there’ song.
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Found it, to be fair to the Duranie it was more Marky and SM. I think le Heston described it as 'better than what had come before' which is fair comment.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:58pmYou had to ask? Marky may have been his ally in that line of defence, too.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:43pmNah that's meh and I was there. Was that the Duranie?Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:24pmAh, like "World In Motion" (so I am told).101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:23pmIt stays at the meh level, probably a ‘needed to be there’ song.
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Well, my apologies to Heston. I guess I just assume he'll always defend awful.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 7:07pmFound it, to be fair to the Duranie it was more Marky and SM. I think le Heston described it as 'better than what had come before' which is fair comment.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:58pmYou had to ask? Marky may have been his ally in that line of defence, too.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:43pmNah that's meh and I was there. Was that the Duranie?Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:24pmAh, like "World In Motion" (so I am told).101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:23pmIt stays at the meh level, probably a ‘needed to be there’ song.
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Playing catch up!, ...certain records/songs can fall into the cultural net, where specifically you're country get the sentiment and the vibe, I don't know when that was released but it sounded like a lighter Beta Band with a tiny slice of early Blur, ..you know parties, alcohol, empathy, speaking from past experience, and doing mobile discos, the later in the evening and the more people have to drink the less their barriers are up and you can get away with playing More radical and leftfield music, it was always a buzz when some one would ask about a non chart tune you were playing...digressing, so N.Z now is pretty much up with 'modern' Culture, surpassing the UK, I think most males from the UK would find it weird or awkward to be in a situation say in NZ where women are treated differently, the film Once were warriors did highlight that cultural difference, in those times being male dominated and machismo, ...I wouldn't last 5 minutes :o) I love music from other cultures I find it really refreshing.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 6:05pmYou cant go to a party in NZ without hearing this.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:54pmRight, Flying Nun! He focused chiefly on a compilation album, Dunedin Double and one band, The Chills. I managed to find a copy online to listen to while I read the paper. Generally pretty good stuff, as I recall.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:46pmYes it is and I presume he is talking about Flying Nun Records which was a vibrant scene.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 5:27pmBut it is a legitimate and key question, about what distinction you're willing to sacrifice to gain access to the larger group. It can be applied to many different situations and locales, but the NZ example he used was especially effective because of NZ's obvious geographic isolation from the rest of the world.
Although the bands were doing great on a local scale the population of NZ is too small to make any money and you can't keep playing the same venue. Bands either went to Australia or London but anyone who did well overseas obviously didn't come back (Split Enz, Crowded House) and if you didn't do well you did but were subject to 'tall poppy syndrone'.
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