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Re: The Trump observations thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 20 Jan 2017, 9:32am

Mimi wrote:
20 Jan 2017, 9:27am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Jan 2017, 9:25am
Mimi wrote:
20 Jan 2017, 9:23am
Fasten your seat belts. It's going to be a bumpy night. :disshame:
So you're saying it'll be fine by tomorrow?
What? You've never seen All About Eve? That's a fine Bette Davis quote right there.
I only recognize Star Wars quotes. :disshame:
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Re: The Trump observations thread

Post by Mimi » 20 Jan 2017, 9:33am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Jan 2017, 9:32am
Mimi wrote:
20 Jan 2017, 9:27am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Jan 2017, 9:25am
Mimi wrote:
20 Jan 2017, 9:23am
Fasten your seat belts. It's going to be a bumpy night. :disshame:
So you're saying it'll be fine by tomorrow?
What? You've never seen All About Eve? That's a fine Bette Davis quote right there.
I only recognize Star Wars quotes. :disshame:
There, there. S'all right. But you should watch that movie. Classic Davis.

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Re: The Trump observations thread

Post by Silent Majority » 20 Jan 2017, 11:00am

I didn't hate Obama. He did awful, unforgivable acts and was a fool in his tactics when dealing with the banal evil bullies of the Republican Party. But I think he was acting out of a genuine belief he was doing good and, for some reason, when you're the head of an organisation that tends constantly to flashy, ugly use of expensive power, that matters. To me, in any case. But I hate the new President. I hate him so much, it uses up my energy. I hate him in what he is and what he represents.
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Re: The Trump observations thread

Post by matedog » 20 Jan 2017, 11:26am

Silent Majority wrote:
20 Jan 2017, 11:00am
I didn't hate Obama. He did awful, unforgivable acts and was a fool in his tactics when dealing with the banal evil bullies of the Republican Party. But I think he was acting out of a genuine belief he was doing good and, for some reason, when you're the head of an organisation that tends constantly to flashy, ugly use of expensive power, that matters. To me, in any case. But I hate the new President. I hate him so much, it uses up my energy. I hate him in what he is and what he represents.
Well put.

Biggest strikes against him were ramping up drone strikes and killing tons of innocent people (and winning the Nobel Peace Prize at the same time). Illegal immigrant deportations also went way up, I believe. Affordable Care Act and ARRA were way smaller scale than they should have been. Those were two huge missed opportunities. Then of course the continued globalization that left portions of the country further behind and alienated to the point that they'd vote for the worst candidate in my lifetime. (Note, I'm not anti-globalization, just acknowledging that our country failed to take care of the communities affected by it)

But yeah, he did seem to sincerely want to work with Republicans to move the country forward and was blindly and foolishly stopped over and over again. He also commanded respect and dignity that the commander and chief really should have. That doesn't help people out really, but it makes other countries more likely to want to work with us.

Who knows how the fuck the next four years are going to be. His cabinet is shockingly bad. Just woefully inept.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: The Trump observations thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 20 Jan 2017, 12:04pm

From what I understood about Obama the man, no, there was little to hate. Intelligent, sincere, disciplined, and charismatic. But Reagan was also likeable on a personal level, so I don't especially care about that. So much of the wailing and moaning about the Obamas' departure is this loss of manners and grace. Isn't that like when those of us on the left or liberals mocked W. supporters because he was the kind of guy you'd want to have a beer with? It's really minor.

If he weren't liberal on cultural manners and stylish, and if he were a Republican, what we'd be focusing on more is the greater economic stratification, expansion of executive power, prosecution of whistleblowers and the press, drone strikes, the continued existence of Guantanamo, the rise of fascism in Europe, and ever-more turmoil in the Middle East. Even tho Trump will be worse, it's hard to make a case that Obama was anything but the continuation of an ugly status quo begun with Carter. Even the ACA was more bandaid than actual cure for the inhumane, market-driven attitude toward healthcare in the US. As Chris Hayes and Thomas Frank have each argued, Obama was part of that meritocratic liberalism that has made the US more of a winners and losers society. He, like the two Bushes and Bill Clinton, nurtured the conditions that have resulted in Trump. It's hard to celebrate any of that.
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Re: The Trump observations thread

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Many people are unaware that a young Donald Trump appeared on the cover of a book called The De-evolution of Mankind, published in Scarfolk by Pelican Books in 1975.

From the introduction:
"Scientists predict that, at some point in the early 21st century, humans will stop evolving and will start the process of de-evolution. Several signs will herald this decline:
i. People will stop reading books. It's estimated that the length of an average book will be eighteen words, including the title and copyright page.
ii. Increasingly, people will only vote for leaders who can communicate using an abbreviated, primitive dialect, a sort of "Dunce Patois" in which whole sentences will be reduced to single words: "True!", "Bad!", "Shame!", etc.
iii. The distinction between the real and the imaginary will be lost and fictional characters will ascend to the highest posts of office.
iv. Human hands will shrink through inactivity and will become little more than tiny, feeble scoops [...]

[...] The mighty space stations we once imagined in our future will drift unpopulated because the knowledge required to reach them will have been either outlawed or carelessly forgotten. The threadbare remnants of mankind will scrabble around a dying earth, daubing themselves with orange mud to avoid being burned due to the global overheating they said would never happen. We will return to this development in Chapter 4, which is entitled 'Consummate Dickheads'."
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Re: The Trump observations thread

Post by Silent Majority » 20 Jan 2017, 12:45pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Jan 2017, 12:04pm
From what I understood about Obama the man, no, there was little to hate. Intelligent, sincere, disciplined, and charismatic. But Reagan was also likeable on a personal level, so I don't especially care about that. So much of the wailing and moaning about the Obamas' departure is this loss of manners and grace. Isn't that like when those of us on the left or liberals mocked W. supporters because he was the kind of guy you'd want to have a beer with? It's really minor.

If he weren't liberal on cultural manners and stylish, and if he were a Republican, what we'd be focusing on more is the greater economic stratification, expansion of executive power, prosecution of whistleblowers and the press, drone strikes, the continued existence of Guantanamo, the rise of fascism in Europe, and ever-more turmoil in the Middle East. Even tho Trump will be worse, it's hard to make a case that Obama was anything but the continuation of an ugly status quo begun with Carter. Even the ACA was more bandaid than actual cure for the inhumane, market-driven attitude toward healthcare in the US. As Chris Hayes and Thomas Frank have each argued, Obama was part of that meritocratic liberalism that has made the US more of a winners and losers society. He, like the two Bushes and Bill Clinton, nurtured the conditions that have resulted in Trump. It's hard to celebrate any of that.
I agree - the figurehead at the top of a thoroughly rotten system is immaterial.
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Re: The Trump observations thread

Post by Mimi » 20 Jan 2017, 1:02pm

Anyone want to take bets on how long it takes for him to get impeached? (wishful thinking, I know)

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Re: The Trump observations thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 20 Jan 2017, 1:13pm

Mimi wrote:
20 Jan 2017, 1:02pm
Anyone want to take bets on how long it takes for him to get impeached? (wishful thinking, I know)
It's not an implausible scenario. Trump has no actual friendships and loyalties in Congress—indeed, he's proven a willingness to attack Republicans whenever it suits his interests—so if a scandal emerges that threatens the electoral chances of Republicans in 2018 or 2020, yeah, they'll toss him. Out of fidelity to the Constitution, of course. Plus Pence is more in their club anyway. He'll provide plenty of opportunities for impeachment, but it'll come down to the polls. Which is pretty much what happened with Nixon—personally disliked by Congressional Republicans, but they stood with him until their own survival was threatened, plus Ford was one of their own.
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Re: The Trump observations thread

Post by JennyB » 20 Jan 2017, 1:53pm

Silent Majority wrote:
20 Jan 2017, 11:00am
I didn't hate Obama. He did awful, unforgivable acts and was a fool in his tactics when dealing with the banal evil bullies of the Republican Party. But I think he was acting out of a genuine belief he was doing good and, for some reason, when you're the head of an organisation that tends constantly to flashy, ugly use of expensive power, that matters. To me, in any case. But I hate the new President. I hate him so much, it uses up my energy. I hate him in what he is and what he represents.
Very well put. And I loved Michelle and the girls. It's hard to see such a family go, especially when we now have this shit show. This is a bad, bad day.
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Re: The Trump observations thread

Post by Inder » 20 Jan 2017, 3:28pm

Amazing — Wolt's Cap drawing at the rally:


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Re: The Trump observations thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 20 Jan 2017, 3:45pm

I'm proud to say I knew him when he was an unknown Lost Causer, drinking Dixie beer outside a shotgun shack by a swamp. Now he's a famous Lost Causer, drinking Dixie beer outside a shotgun shack by a swamp. :approve: (Seriously, tho, that's way cool that your talent has been applied like that.)
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Re: The Trump observations thread

Post by JennyB » 20 Jan 2017, 3:58pm

Yay Wolt!!!
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Re: The Trump observations thread

Post by JoseUnidos » 20 Jan 2017, 4:10pm

Fantastic!

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Re: The Trump observations thread

Post by BostonBeaneater » 21 Jan 2017, 12:10am

Are you suing? There might be some dime in this for you.

I am glad to be out of the country for a bit.
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