Bedtime for Capitalism?

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Re: Bedtime for Capitalism?

Post by Dr. Medulla » 21 Sep 2008, 11:04pm

Unless I'm mistaken, that $700B doesn't count the $300B of the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac buy out. Unreal. And yet all the fat cats will basically walk away from this just fine. None of them will be losing their homes or trading down their cars. In less cowed countries, men in suits would be strung up in trees.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 22 Sep 2008, 9:54am

Paul Krugman being interviewed by Bill Maher. Choice line: Just as there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no libertarians in a financial crisis.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 22 Sep 2008, 11:29am

What a beautiful linguistic cockpunch to neanderthal Americans' egos. Bring back the Freedom Fries!
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Post by IkarisOne » 22 Sep 2008, 11:47am

The always-great Glenn Greenwald reports on the growing Republican opposition to The Soviet America Bailout Plan®. Maybe this is the best way to do it- a strong popular Democratic executive and a militant Republican Congress. That way they fight each other so much the don't have time to screw us over too much. The Dems in Congress are Bush's lapdogs.

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Post by IkarisOne » 22 Sep 2008, 1:30pm

Here's "Mr. Worst Case Scenario" himself on the present crisis: http://jameshowardkunstler.typepad.com/ ... -kill.html

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Re: Bedtime for Capitalism?

Post by Dr. Medulla » 22 Sep 2008, 1:51pm

Read a piece—didn't note the url, sorry—about concern that all these banks, after being relieved of their debt thru the bailout, will buy it back at reduced rates in a few years once things settle down again (assuming that happens), thus turning a profit at both ends of the deal. That is so perverse and shameless that I can't imagine it not happening. But then my bias about modern finance colours my perceptions.
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Post by Flex » 22 Sep 2008, 2:04pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:Read a piece—didn't note the url, sorry—about concern that all these banks, after being relieved of their debt thru the bailout, will buy it back at reduced rates in a few years once things settle down again (assuming that happens), thus turning a profit at both ends of the deal. That is so perverse and shameless that I can't imagine it not happening. But then my awareness of how modern finance works colours my perceptions.
Corrected.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 22 Sep 2008, 2:33pm

Flex wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:Read a piece—didn't note the url, sorry—about concern that all these banks, after being relieved of their debt thru the bailout, will buy it back at reduced rates in a few years once things settle down again (assuming that happens), thus turning a profit at both ends of the deal. That is so perverse and shameless that I can't imagine it not happening. But then my awareness of how modern finance works colours my perceptions.
Corrected.
Corrected to sync our biases anyway. :D
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 23 Sep 2008, 7:18pm

Dear American:

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I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.

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Re: Bedtime for Capitalism?

Post by Flex » 03 Oct 2008, 2:56am

Hey Hooky, watching Colbert Report and Naomi Klein is on it promoting her book. A) I've been meaning to read the book, gotta do that one of these days. b) She's kinda hot.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 03 Oct 2008, 9:01am

Flex wrote:Hey Hooky, watching Colbert Report and Naomi Klein is on it promoting her book. A) I've been meaning to read the book, gotta do that one of these days. b) She's kinda hot.
I'm watching it right now—tape TDS and CR overnight, watch over breakfast. The book is very good—much better than I expected because I really didn't care for No Logo. I'm not yet persuaded to the mass psychology she suggests, but the disaster capitalism aspect seems spot on. She's one of those people whose attractiveness really is dependent on how they're shot. Sometimes she could crack glass, other times she's quite striking.
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Post by eumaas » 03 Oct 2008, 3:17pm

"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Re: Bedtime for Capitalism?

Post by Wolter » 03 Oct 2008, 3:20pm

That's fucking ridiculously depressing. Sickeningly so.


Although, I'm kind of amazed the bank gave an 86 year old woman a 30 year mortgage...
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Re: Bedtime for Capitalism?

Post by JulieJazz » 05 Oct 2008, 9:38am

I am 100% opposed to the 700 billion dollar bailout. I think it is time that individuals should NO LONGER be protected by the legal entity of "the corporation" when making detrimental mistakes. It is high time that executives should be held PERSONALLY accountable. I am even more sickened by the huge payouts these fuckers have been getting when let go from their company. If you do a shitty job, you do not deserve 20 - 40 million dollar severance packages! The average workers of these crap, large firms have to take the fall out both from customers (for decisions they did not make) and with the possibility of job loss. The public/tax payers have paid tremendously for this insipid greed. I think if I were an American now, I would be teetering on the edge of revolt.

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