Should this bother anyone?

[eumaas]

I don't have time for this Hookmaas. We mean the same things, we're just talking past each other. It's done. Fuck it.

[Wolter]

I suspected as much. I didn't think it was time for another Hookmaas Holiday Special.

I agree overall, but I think your view or perhaps just wording is still a bit skewed. Even if your happiness is fundamentally self-generated, if you don't socialize I question how happy you ever can be. Other people and our interactions with them are essential ingredients. You can perceive doing good deeds for others if they (other people) aren't there.

Well, of course. I believe one has to socialize in some form to survive. Even hermits have some interaction with the world around them, or did at some point in their life. But happiness and satisfaction are different than survival.

The point is that no one else can make you sad or make you happy. or make you dissatisfied or satisfied.

I never said not to socialize. You cannot rely on other people to make you happy. You will be disappointed.

Strange how I, man of the crowd and party guy who loves hanging out with friends, am arguing this point with an admitted shut-in.

I'm hardly a shut-in. I'm not overly gregarious, but I'm not a shut-in either. This all seems to be a nit-picking exercise. I'm not saying that people alone, just their mere presence makes you happy, that they somehow transmit happiness to you like a campfire does heat. But their presence is required to generate the conditions that might make you happy thru your deeds and interactions. The onus is still on you and the results are due to your efforts, but they cannot be achieved in isolation.

If this nitpicking excercise is a bad thing, why are you still holding the comb?

Reread what I said above - humans need each other to survive, so the interaction is already there. It is, however, immaterial to the actual state of happiness or sadness.

[Jimmy Jazz]

Happiness is a sham. You will never be happy, no matter what. Case cuh-losed.

[Dr. Medulla]

I suspected as much. I didn't think it was time for another Hookmaas Holiday Special.

I agree overall, but I think your view or perhaps just wording is still a bit skewed. Even if your happiness is fundamentally self-generated, if you don't socialize I question how happy you ever can be. Other people and our interactions with them are essential ingredients. You can perceive doing good deeds for others if they (other people) aren't there.

Well, of course. I believe one has to socialize in some form to survive. Even hermits have some interaction with the world around them, or did at some point in their life. But happiness and satisfaction are different than survival.

The point is that no one else can make you sad or make you happy. or make you dissatisfied or satisfied.

I never said not to socialize. You cannot rely on other people to make you happy. You will be disappointed.

Strange how I, man of the crowd and party guy who loves hanging out with friends, am arguing this point with an admitted shut-in.

I'm hardly a shut-in. I'm not overly gregarious, but I'm not a shut-in either. This all seems to be a nit-picking exercise. I'm not saying that people alone, just their mere presence makes you happy, that they somehow transmit happiness to you like a campfire does heat. But their presence is required to generate the conditions that might make you happy thru your deeds and interactions. The onus is still on you and the results are due to your efforts, but they cannot be achieved in isolation.

If this nitpicking excercise is a bad thing, why are you still holding the comb? [/quote]

Apparently to be a dick. It'd be appreciated if folks let me know what topics are open for discussion when there is disagreement and those where dissent is verboten.

Reread what I said above - humans need each other to survive, so the interaction is already there. It is, however, immaterial to the actual state of happiness or sadness.

Honestly, I'm not following you here. Do we need others to actually survive? Well, not necessarily, if you're just talking about physical nourishment and making it day by day. But the quality of life would be pretty damn shitty regardless of the quantity and quality of the food and water. Simple question, then: can a person be happy with absolutely no human contact, such as prison isolation?

[Inder]

Surely it's a matter of individual temperament.

[Flex]

Surely it's a matter of individual temperament.

Don't call me Shirley.

[Wolter]

Surely it's a matter of individual temperament.

Don't call me Shirley.

Both of you are both right and both wrong.

I'm abandoning this line of discussion because I'm not 100% sure that I can explain the difference between subsistence and survival well enough to get my point across, nor get the point across that I believe that all personal emotions, thoughts, and feelings (happiness, sadness, frustration, contentment, etc.) happen inside your own brain and body and nowhere else and exterior events only affect your mental and emotional state to the extent that you are reacting to them.

[eumaas]

I would love to discuss this but I am incredibly fucked up right now in more than one way.

[threecoffins]

I would love to discuss this but I am incredibly fucked up right now in more than one way.

Recreationally, medicinally, or both?

[eumaas]

I would love to discuss this but I am incredibly fucked up right now in more than one way.

Recreationally, medicinally, or both?

Medicinally, emotionally. Mentally.

[threecoffins]

I would love to discuss this but I am incredibly fucked up right now in more than one way.

Recreationally, medicinally, or both?

Medicinally, emotionally. Mentally.

Sorry to hear, man. Hope you feel better soon.

[eumaas]

JESUS IS DROWNING!!! SOMBEODDY SAVE JESUS!

[threecoffins]

JESUS IS DROWNING!!! SOMBEODDY SAVE JESUS!

He'll get no help from me after he went all psycho at my temple.

[Dr. Medulla]

JESUS IS DROWNING!!! SOMBEODDY SAVE JESUS!

A brief Bombay, Colosseus encounter
A holy rolling, rhino blessing

Two men in white, an advantage in height
In appearance unique, in action delivers

The light fades, the sun never never sets
A: a double blow, B: an immortal being

A creator lover, a bee-driver
A terraze wipe-out, a terraze wipeout