It's Always Darkest Before It Goes Pitch Black: Trump's New America

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I'm intrigued.

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Tom Homan to be appointed border czar: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c079m9mxx1no

Suggests trump is, in fact, dead serious about trying to mass deport 15-20 million people.
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Flex wrote:
11 Nov 2024, 12:32pm
Tom Homan to be appointed border czar: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c079m9mxx1no

Suggests trump is, in fact, dead serious about trying to mass deport 15-20 million people.
The dark side of my heart is looking forward to this chaos. This is going to be a gigantic mess.

This reminds me of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion ... rom_Uganda
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BostonBeaneater wrote:
11 Nov 2024, 2:08pm
Flex wrote:
11 Nov 2024, 12:32pm
Tom Homan to be appointed border czar: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c079m9mxx1no

Suggests trump is, in fact, dead serious about trying to mass deport 15-20 million people.
The dark side of my heart is looking forward to this chaos. This is going to be a gigantic mess.

This reminds me of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion ... rom_Uganda
Coincidentally, I just read about this a couple days ago in Francis Wheen's Strange Days Indeed.

I'm utterly sick at the cruelty and misery awaiting those to be deported. The darkness in my heart is reserved for those who voted for all this, even if from ignorance. My hope is that they gain sufficient awareness of their responsibility that their days are permanently scarred with guilt. At bare minimum, they should be shunned by everyone who once cared for and befriended them. I want cancel culture to actually become a thing now.
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Credit where it's due (?), this is about as pro-climate an EPA appointment as you could get from any Republican administration:


One of the underrated elements of the Biden administration was how much carbon reduction and conservation stuff his administration did. Maybe with Zeldin only 95% of it will be gutted instead of 100%. Silver linings and all...
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Hail Trump:
HOWELL, Mich. (WLNS)— A group of people were seen waving Nazi flags in two different Mid-Michigan cities, including outside of a Jewish play.

Many people were waving flags with swastikas on them in front of the American Legion Post in Howell. At the same time, the Fowlerville Community Theater performed the “Diary of Anne Frank” on Saturday night.
One witness says the men had their faces covered with masks that read 1488, a symbol of white supremacy.

Alex Sutfill, who was driving downtown with his wife at the time says he called the police after seeing the group.

“There was a group of people at the four-way intersection in downtown that had swastika flags and American flags,” said Sutfill. “They were sticking their arms up and yelling hail Hitler and Hail Trump and everything like that.”
Nazis in Fowlerville

Peter Damerow, who confronted the group says they told him to go back to his country.

“They looked at me and one of them said,” said Damerow. “No this is Pureville now, and we’re here to make sure it stays pure.”

He says he believes the group did this due to the current political climate within the county.
People waving Nazi flags outside of American Legion Post in Howell

“I really felt like they felt comfortable enough to do this because of Trump’s reelection and what they said to me at the stop light made that quite clear,” said Damerow.
Link: https://www.wlns.com/news/im-at-a-loss- ... -michigan/
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Flex wrote:
11 Nov 2024, 9:38pm
Alex Sutfill, who was driving downtown with his wife at the time says he called the police after seeing the group.
Man, he really had an opportunity to take them all out at once instead of calling their buddies.
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Hello,

Pureville? Don't be so sure.

From AI:

Due to historical events like slavery and interracial relationships, the odds of a white person having a Black person in their family tree, particularly in the United States, are relatively high, with studies showing that a significant portion of self-identified white Americans have at least a small amount of African ancestry, often stemming from generations ago; depending on the region, this could be as high as 10% or more.

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BostonBeaneater wrote:
11 Nov 2024, 2:08pm

The dark side of my heart is looking forward to this chaos. This is going to be a gigantic mess.
Perhaps it's necessary to burn everything down to rebuild something better, more in line with a progressive worldview. I guess a colossal failure of our economy and social welfare and children's educational system and healthcare may finally breakthrough to our society. Is that hopeful or hopeless, or nihilist?
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
12 Nov 2024, 1:16pm
BostonBeaneater wrote:
11 Nov 2024, 2:08pm

The dark side of my heart is looking forward to this chaos. This is going to be a gigantic mess.
Perhaps it's necessary to burn everything down to rebuild something better, more in line with a progressive worldview. I guess a colossal failure of our economy and social welfare and children's educational system and healthcare may finally breakthrough to our society. Is that hopeful or hopeless, or nihilist?
That is not how it will play out.

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revbob wrote:
12 Nov 2024, 2:09pm
matedog wrote:
12 Nov 2024, 1:16pm
BostonBeaneater wrote:
11 Nov 2024, 2:08pm

The dark side of my heart is looking forward to this chaos. This is going to be a gigantic mess.
Perhaps it's necessary to burn everything down to rebuild something better, more in line with a progressive worldview. I guess a colossal failure of our economy and social welfare and children's educational system and healthcare may finally breakthrough to our society. Is that hopeful or hopeless, or nihilist?
That is not how it will play out.
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matedog wrote:
12 Nov 2024, 1:16pm
BostonBeaneater wrote:
11 Nov 2024, 2:08pm

The dark side of my heart is looking forward to this chaos. This is going to be a gigantic mess.
Perhaps it's necessary to burn everything down to rebuild something better, more in line with a progressive worldview. I guess a colossal failure of our economy and social welfare and children's educational system and healthcare may finally breakthrough to our society. Is that hopeful or hopeless, or nihilist?
I think this is among the lines of accelerationism: that rather than trying to constrain capitalism from its worst tendencies, heightening its contradictions can lead to is downfall quicker and if done consciously then we can help guide what comes after to our preferred outcome.

It's pretty nihilistic, so get it as an emotional response but I don't think its something that should actually seriously be acted on or embraced.
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Flex wrote:
12 Nov 2024, 2:54pm
matedog wrote:
12 Nov 2024, 1:16pm
BostonBeaneater wrote:
11 Nov 2024, 2:08pm

The dark side of my heart is looking forward to this chaos. This is going to be a gigantic mess.
Perhaps it's necessary to burn everything down to rebuild something better, more in line with a progressive worldview. I guess a colossal failure of our economy and social welfare and children's educational system and healthcare may finally breakthrough to our society. Is that hopeful or hopeless, or nihilist?
I think this is among the lines of accelerationism: that rather than trying to constrain capitalism from its worst tendencies, heightening its contradictions can lead to is downfall quicker and if done consciously then we can help guide what comes after to our preferred outcome.

It's pretty nihilistic, so get it as an emotional response but I don't think its something that should actually seriously be acted on or embraced.
It gives in to abstraction. It ignores that for it to work, millions and millions will endure a scarring misery and will die. It's also the same mentality that has justified brutal industrialization—yes, you suffer, but it's to build something better. If the left chooses to replicate the logic (well, rationalization) of the right but for its own ambitions, I don't see what makes the left better.
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Ongoing text conversation with my mom:
her: hey there how's it going?
me: fine how are you
her: we're doing ok. haven't talked to you in a while, anything new
me: nothing besides the obvious
her: what's the obvious?
me [after a number of hours trying to figure out how to respond to such a stupid question]: never mind, doesn't matter
her: it matters to me! do you have something you want to talk about?
She's either baiting me or way stupider than even I thought. For these people all it means is lower taxes and prices on eggs, it doesn't even enter their minds that there are other consequences for people outside of themselves.
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Kory wrote:
12 Nov 2024, 4:05pm
Ongoing text conversation with my mom:
her: hey there how's it going?
me: fine how are you
her: we're doing ok. haven't talked to you in a while, anything new
me: nothing besides the obvious
her: what's the obvious?
me [after a number of hours trying to figure out how to respond to such a stupid question]: never mind, doesn't matter
her: it matters to me! do you have something you want to talk about?
She's either baiting me or way stupider than even I thought. For these people all it means is lower taxes and prices on eggs, it doesn't even enter their minds that there are other consequences for people outside of themselves.
If nothing else, one would hope she'd have the capacity to recognize how her son would feel about a major national event.
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