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Re: The Simpsons

Post by matedog » 01 Oct 2010, 4:06pm

I like the episode where Elizabeth Montgomery flaunted her giant 70's areolas and danced with wedding apes to the superior New Order tunes. Jimmy Carter.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: The Simpsons

Post by Silent Majority » 01 Oct 2010, 4:07pm

matedog wrote:I like the episode where Elizabeth Montgomery flaunted her giant 70's areolas and danced with wedding apes to the superior New Order tunes. Jimmy Carter.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 01 Oct 2010, 4:08pm

matedog wrote:I like the episode where Elizabeth Montgomery flaunted her giant 70's areolas and danced with wedding apes to the superior New Order tunes. Jimmy Carter.
I might be back on the bandwagon.
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Re: The Simpsons

Post by matedog » 01 Oct 2010, 4:14pm

BostonBeaneater wrote:Season 4, particularly when the Germans take over the plant.
Seasons 4-8 are what I rate as the peak.

I don't know if I'd start with a classic episode. A lot of the reasons why they are so funny is familiarity with the characters. Little things like how awful Moe is as a person and that one time he tried to kill himself by sticking his head in an oven and had a piece of paper on his back that read "no funeral." Or anything related Lionel Hutz. I'm thinking season 4 is a good starting point because it's still early but also in the classic period. Not sure what a good starter episode would be though.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Post by Wolter » 01 Oct 2010, 4:16pm

matedog wrote:I like the episode where Elizabeth Montgomery flaunted her giant 70's areolas and danced with wedding apes to the superior New Order tunes. Jimmy Carter.
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Re: The Simpsons

Post by Silent Majority » 01 Oct 2010, 4:17pm

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BostonBeaneater wrote:Season 4, particularly when the Germans take over the plant.
Seasons 4-8 are what I rate as the peak.
Absolutely agree, but seasons 2 and 3 have some really great episodes.
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Re: The Simpsons

Post by Wolter » 01 Oct 2010, 4:21pm

Silent Majority wrote:
matedog wrote:
BostonBeaneater wrote:Season 4, particularly when the Germans take over the plant.
Seasons 4-8 are what I rate as the peak.
Absolutely agree, but seasons 2 and 3 have some really great episodes.
Yeah, 4-8 (I don't know why I cut it off at 6 earlier) are the grade A stuff. But there are stone cold classics in 2 and 3.
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Post by Silent Majority » 01 Oct 2010, 4:24pm

The Way We Was may be a good starter, actually. That's one of my early favourites.

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Post by tepista » 01 Oct 2010, 4:24pm

what was the shark? Phil Hartman's death?
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Post by Wolter » 01 Oct 2010, 4:25pm

tepista wrote:what was the shark? Phil Hartman's death?
There was no pure shark. It was around that time, though.

A lot of reasons contributed, and the decline was gradual. There were still very good episodes for the next few years.
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Re: The Simpsons

Post by matedog » 01 Oct 2010, 4:26pm

tepista wrote:what was the shark? Phil Hartman's death?
I think that's Doc's theory.

I found half of season 9 to be as good as 4-8. To me that is the very very clear transition season. 10 is alright but noticeably worse than 4-8. I bought season 3 but was surprised by the lack of out loud laughing I did in nearly every episode.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: The Simpsons

Post by tepista » 01 Oct 2010, 4:29pm

When Smithers goes on vacation and homer is Burns' assistant is a good one.

Burns knowing Homers name may be shark too.
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Re: The Simpsons

Post by Silent Majority » 01 Oct 2010, 4:34pm

matedog wrote:
tepista wrote:what was the shark? Phil Hartman's death?
I think that's Doc's theory.

I found half of season 9 to be as good as 4-8. To me that is the very very clear transition season.
I totally agree with you here too. However, I think season ten is, perhaps two episodes aside, irredeemable.
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Re: The Simpsons

Post by Dr. Medulla » 01 Oct 2010, 4:46pm

matedog wrote:
tepista wrote:what was the shark? Phil Hartman's death?
I think that's Doc's theory.

I found half of season 9 to be as good as 4-8. To me that is the very very clear transition season. 10 is alright but noticeably worse than 4-8. I bought season 3 but was surprised by the lack of out loud laughing I did in nearly every episode.
I don't see Hartman's as the cause of the show's decline, but if you have to pick a moment when things went noticeably downhill, it was there. Still, seven seasons or so of genius is remarkable, even with this black hole of awfulness that's followed.
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Re: The Simpsons

Post by CorwoodRep » 01 Oct 2010, 4:52pm

I think the show would have held together a lot longer if Phil Hartman didn't die. It would have still gone downhill, but losing him was a huge loss for the dynamic of the show. It's mostly coincidence that it started to suck when he died, but it hurt.

The loss of hand-drawn animation kind of killed the aesthetic too. Same thing happened to King of the Hill. It got too clean and artificial looking and it made sight gags and visuals much more boring.
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