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Re: A Language Question For The Linguists

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Re: A Language Question For The Linguists

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Re: A Language Question For The Linguists

Post by Dr. Medulla » 27 Oct 2017, 5:30pm

When the fuck did North Americans start using single quotes? Student after student for the last six years turn in stuff where, if they aren't quoting something directly, they use single quotes. Stuff like scare or snark quotes, they use singles. Who the hell is teaching them this? We fought or negotiated our way free of the Limeys to use double quotes, dagnabbit!
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Re: A Language Question For The Linguists

Post by Kory » 27 Oct 2017, 5:54pm

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27 Oct 2017, 5:30pm
When the fuck did North Americans start using single quotes? Student after student for the last six years turn in stuff where, if they aren't quoting something directly, they use single quotes. Stuff like scare or snark quotes, they use singles. Who the hell is teaching them this? We fought or negotiated our way free of the Limeys to use double quotes, dagnabbit!
I do it sometimes when I'm feeling lazy. I guess that's all you need to know.
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Re: A Language Question For The Linguists

Post by Dr. Medulla » 27 Oct 2017, 5:56pm

Kory wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 5:54pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 5:30pm
When the fuck did North Americans start using single quotes? Student after student for the last six years turn in stuff where, if they aren't quoting something directly, they use single quotes. Stuff like scare or snark quotes, they use singles. Who the hell is teaching them this? We fought or negotiated our way free of the Limeys to use double quotes, dagnabbit!
I do it sometimes when I'm feeling lazy. I guess that's all you need to know.
I'm certain that someone or something is teaching these kids this Limey atrocity. And why is this the thing that they choose to learn?
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Re: A Language Question For The Linguists

Post by Rat Patrol » 27 Oct 2017, 6:21pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 5:56pm
Kory wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 5:54pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 5:30pm
When the fuck did North Americans start using single quotes? Student after student for the last six years turn in stuff where, if they aren't quoting something directly, they use single quotes. Stuff like scare or snark quotes, they use singles. Who the hell is teaching them this? We fought or negotiated our way free of the Limeys to use double quotes, dagnabbit!
I do it sometimes when I'm feeling lazy. I guess that's all you need to know.
I'm certain that someone or something is teaching these kids this Limey atrocity. And why is this the thing that they choose to learn?
Just a theory...but if the apostrophe is easier to type on a phone than a quotation mark, they will double-down on the single-quote.
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Re: A Language Question For The Linguists

Post by Dr. Medulla » 27 Oct 2017, 6:31pm

Rat Patrol wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 6:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 5:56pm
Kory wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 5:54pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 5:30pm
When the fuck did North Americans start using single quotes? Student after student for the last six years turn in stuff where, if they aren't quoting something directly, they use single quotes. Stuff like scare or snark quotes, they use singles. Who the hell is teaching them this? We fought or negotiated our way free of the Limeys to use double quotes, dagnabbit!
I do it sometimes when I'm feeling lazy. I guess that's all you need to know.
I'm certain that someone or something is teaching these kids this Limey atrocity. And why is this the thing that they choose to learn?
Just a theory...but if the apostrophe is easier to type on a phone than a quotation mark, they will double-down on the single-quote.
Ugh. That is so awful it makes sense. Still, they do know to use proper double quotes when quoting a source or historical figure, so maybe not.
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Re: A Language Question For The Linguists

Post by Inder » 27 Oct 2017, 6:43pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 5:30pm
When the fuck did North Americans start using single quotes? Student after student for the last six years turn in stuff where, if they aren't quoting something directly, they use single quotes. Stuff like scare or snark quotes, they use singles. Who the hell is teaching them this? We fought or negotiated our way free of the Limeys to use double quotes, dagnabbit!
I was surprised to learn it's standard in some newer/revised style guides.

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Re: A Language Question For The Linguists

Post by Rat Patrol » 27 Oct 2017, 6:50pm

Inder wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 6:43pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 5:30pm
When the fuck did North Americans start using single quotes? Student after student for the last six years turn in stuff where, if they aren't quoting something directly, they use single quotes. Stuff like scare or snark quotes, they use singles. Who the hell is teaching them this? We fought or negotiated our way free of the Limeys to use double quotes, dagnabbit!
I was surprised to learn it's standard in some newer/revised style guides.
Not in the style guides that you use if you actually want to get paid for your work.

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In my line of work, I can still legally give you 10 lashes for misuse of single quotes.
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Re: A Language Question For The Linguists

Post by Dr. Medulla » 27 Oct 2017, 6:55pm

Rat Patrol wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 6:50pm
Inder wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 6:43pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 5:30pm
When the fuck did North Americans start using single quotes? Student after student for the last six years turn in stuff where, if they aren't quoting something directly, they use single quotes. Stuff like scare or snark quotes, they use singles. Who the hell is teaching them this? We fought or negotiated our way free of the Limeys to use double quotes, dagnabbit!
I was surprised to learn it's standard in some newer/revised style guides.
Not in the style guides that you use if you actually want to get paid for your work.

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In my line of work, I can still legally give you 10 lashes for misuse of single quotes.
:lol: Aye and then some.

The missuz just informed me that a number of her colleagues (mis)use single quotes in the way I describe above. I don't recall any clients doing that, tho.
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Re: A Language Question For The Linguists

Post by Inder » 27 Oct 2017, 8:49pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 6:55pm
Rat Patrol wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 6:50pm
Inder wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 6:43pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 5:30pm
When the fuck did North Americans start using single quotes? Student after student for the last six years turn in stuff where, if they aren't quoting something directly, they use single quotes. Stuff like scare or snark quotes, they use singles. Who the hell is teaching them this? We fought or negotiated our way free of the Limeys to use double quotes, dagnabbit!
I was surprised to learn it's standard in some newer/revised style guides.
Not in the style guides that you use if you actually want to get paid for your work.

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In my line of work, I can still legally give you 10 lashes for misuse of single quotes.
:lol: Aye and then some.

The missuz just informed me that a number of her colleagues (mis)use single quotes in the way I describe above. I don't recall any clients doing that, tho.
The MHRA, which is standard in the UK, requires single quotes.

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Re: A Language Question For The Linguists

Post by Dr. Medulla » 27 Oct 2017, 9:13pm

But that's the standard distinction between British rules and Canadian and American rules. I grew up knowing that in Canada we use double quotes for everything (except a quote within a quote). It's this recent, I guess distinction of quotation mark usage that I don't get. Quote JFK and they use doubles. Right. But for scare or snark quotes, where there's nobody actually being quoted—e.g., Trump is an ‘inspiring leader’—and they use singles. I have no idea where that's coming from.
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Re: A Language Question For The Linguists

Post by Inder » 27 Oct 2017, 9:16pm

Ah yes. I think I misunderstood your point.

The obvious solution is go into your next lecture/seminar wearing these earrings:

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Re: A Language Question For The Linguists

Post by Dr. Medulla » 28 Oct 2017, 7:05am

Inder wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 9:16pm
Ah yes. I think I misunderstood your point.

The obvious solution is go into your next lecture/seminar wearing these earrings:

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It might put the Billy Corgan thing to the grave … :twitch:
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Re: A Language Question For The Linguists

Post by Marky Dread » 28 Oct 2017, 9:16pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
28 Oct 2017, 7:05am
Inder wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 9:16pm
Ah yes. I think I misunderstood your point.

The obvious solution is go into your next lecture/seminar wearing these earrings:

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It might put the Billy Corgan thing to the grave … :twitch:
Shouldn't Billy Corgan be in quotation marks? After all he is history"s biggest monster.
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