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Dr. Medulla wrote:

Wolter wrote:

Dr. Medulla wrote:

Wolter wrote:Counterpoint: the earth's yellow sun does not count as a Performance Enhancing Drug.

A point of contention: Kal-El's physiology is attuned to a red sun; that's what's natural to him. So a yellow sun's effects are unnatural, they are artificial. Just because he's not injecting doesn't mean he ain't doping.

A polite disagreement: You are stretching the definition of PED to the breaking point. While it may be unusual for a Kryptonian to be exposed to the effects of a yellow sun, it is not unnatural. Besides, Kal-El's adopted home since infancy is the earth, and therefore is the only real home* he knows. The yellow sun is "normal" for him. He has not "chosen" to use it to his advantage, any more than Michael Jordan "chose" to have a superior vertical leap. Barrold Bonds was not raised from near birth on the cream and the clear, and chose to take advantage of a loophole in the rules - like Lex Luthor.

*Unless you're saying that adopted children have no real home. And that would be monstrous.

A Gore-like sigh: Anything other than the red sun's effects on a Kryptonian's physiology is unnatural. Kryptonian evolution is based on a red sun environment. Kal-El is operating in an unnatural environment to a Kryptonian, and that unnatural environment gives him an advantage over those whose physiology is not augmented in the natural environment of a yellow sun. Intent has nothing to do with it, only natural physiology being artificially augmented.

And adopted children are carriers of AIDS and scurvy and should be ground into top soil for our farms.

Wolter wrote:A burying of my head in my hands: "'roided up," by it's very nature, implies intent.

Dr. Medulla wrote:

Wolter wrote:A burying of my head in my hands: "'roided up," by it's very nature, implies intent.

A rolling of the eyes: Roided up is a state of existence—you either are or are not; it is wholly divorced from intent. To yellow sun physiologies, it almost always necessitates intent (unless you're Gary Sheffield), but not to a red sun physiology.

Wolter wrote:

Dr. Medulla wrote:

Wolter wrote:A burying of my head in my hands: "'roided up," by it's very nature, implies intent.

A rolling of the eyes: Roided up is a state of existence—you either are or are not; it is wholly divorced from intent. To yellow sun physiologies, it almost always necessitates intent (unless you're Gary Sheffield), but not to a red sun physiology.

A thbbt: Thbbt.

Flex wrote:An agreement: As usual, I'm with the poet on this one.

Dr. Medulla wrote:

Flex wrote:An agreement: As usual, I'm with the poet on this one.

A question: So you think that the red-yellow sun issue is irrelevant?

Dr. Medulla wrote:

Flex wrote:An agreement: As usual, I'm with the poet on this one.

A question: So you think that the red-yellow sun issue is irrelevant?

Flex wrote:

Dr. Medulla wrote:

Flex wrote:An agreement: As usual, I'm with the poet on this one.

A question: So you think that the red-yellow sun issue is irrelevant?

An affirmation: yes. Putting aside the issue of intent (which wolterpoet is correct about), there aren't even any rules on the books regarding what kind of sun rays Supes can soak up! Without the JLA or something clearly defining what sources of superpowers are allowable, as well as outlining the punishments for breaking those rules - Supes gets a free pass.

Flex wrote:An affirmation: yes. Putting aside the issue of intent (which wolterpoet is correct about)

there aren't even any rules on the books regarding what kind of sun rays Supes can soak up! Without the JLA or something clearly defining what sources of superpowers are allowable, as well as outlining the punishments for breaking those rules - Supes gets a free pass.

Dr. Medulla wrote:

Flex wrote:An affirmation: yes. Putting aside the issue of intent (which wolterpoet is correct about)

Explain further. If I've been unknowingly fed steroids, it doesn't make me any less juiced up. Whether Kal-El wants to the yellow sun to have that effect on him, it doesn't change that effect.

there aren't even any rules on the books regarding what kind of sun rays Supes can soak up! Without the JLA or something clearly defining what sources of superpowers are allowable, as well as outlining the punishments for breaking those rules - Supes gets a free pass.

I'm not following this at all. I'm not talking about the results being criminal or not.

Wolter wrote:

Dr. Medulla wrote:

Flex wrote:An affirmation: yes. Putting aside the issue of intent (which wolterpoet is correct about)

Explain further. If I've been unknowingly fed steroids, it doesn't make me any less juiced up. Whether Kal-El wants to the yellow sun to have that effect on him, it doesn't change that effect.

there aren't even any rules on the books regarding what kind of sun rays Supes can soak up! Without the JLA or something clearly defining what sources of superpowers are allowable, as well as outlining the punishments for breaking those rules - Supes gets a free pass.

I'm not following this at all. I'm not talking about the results being criminal or not.

A conclusion: then you should avoid loaded terms like "'roided up."

Dr. Medulla wrote:

Wolter wrote:

Dr. Medulla wrote:

Flex wrote:An affirmation: yes. Putting aside the issue of intent (which wolterpoet is correct about)

Explain further. If I've been unknowingly fed steroids, it doesn't make me any less juiced up. Whether Kal-El wants to the yellow sun to have that effect on him, it doesn't change that effect.

there aren't even any rules on the books regarding what kind of sun rays Supes can soak up! Without the JLA or something clearly defining what sources of superpowers are allowable, as well as outlining the punishments for breaking those rules - Supes gets a free pass.

I'm not following this at all. I'm not talking about the results being criminal or not.

A conclusion: then you should avoid loaded terms like "'roided up."

A mistake: That people would take me so literally. I meant roided up as akin to any PED. Just because he can't control the effect doesn't lessen solar radiation's PED-like effect on him.

Wolter wrote:

Dr. Medulla wrote:

Wolter wrote:

Dr. Medulla wrote:

Flex wrote:An affirmation: yes. Putting aside the issue of intent (which wolterpoet is correct about)

Explain further. If I've been unknowingly fed steroids, it doesn't make me any less juiced up. Whether Kal-El wants to the yellow sun to have that effect on him, it doesn't change that effect.

there aren't even any rules on the books regarding what kind of sun rays Supes can soak up! Without the JLA or something clearly defining what sources of superpowers are allowable, as well as outlining the punishments for breaking those rules - Supes gets a free pass.

I'm not following this at all. I'm not talking about the results being criminal or not.

A conclusion: then you should avoid loaded terms like "'roided up."

A mistake: That people would take me so literally. I meant roided up as akin to any PED. Just because he can't control the effect doesn't lessen solar radiation's PED-like effect on him.

An ad hominem attack: Just admit it, you hate our freedom.