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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Wolter » 17 Jun 2008, 11:06am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
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Wolter wrote:Counterpoint: the earth's yellow sun does not count as a Performance Enhancing Drug.
A point of contention: Kal-El's physiology is attuned to a red sun; that's what's natural to him. So a yellow sun's effects are unnatural, they are artificial. Just because he's not injecting doesn't mean he ain't doping.
A polite disagreement: You are stretching the definition of PED to the breaking point. While it may be unusual for a Kryptonian to be exposed to the effects of a yellow sun, it is not unnatural. Besides, Kal-El's adopted home since infancy is the earth, and therefore is the only real home* he knows. The yellow sun is "normal" for him. He has not "chosen" to use it to his advantage, any more than Michael Jordan "chose" to have a superior vertical leap. Barrold Bonds was not raised from near birth on the cream and the clear, and chose to take advantage of a loophole in the rules - like Lex Luthor.

*Unless you're saying that adopted children have no real home. And that would be monstrous.
A Gore-like sigh: Anything other than the red sun's effects on a Kryptonian's physiology is unnatural. Kryptonian evolution is based on a red sun environment. Kal-El is operating in an unnatural environment to a Kryptonian, and that unnatural environment gives him an advantage over those whose physiology is not augmented in the natural environment of a yellow sun. Intent has nothing to do with it, only natural physiology being artificially augmented.

And adopted children are carriers of AIDS and scurvy and should be ground into top soil for our farms.
A burying of my head in my hands: "'roided up," by it's very nature, implies intent.

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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 17 Jun 2008, 11:19am

Wolter wrote:A burying of my head in my hands: "'roided up," by it's very nature, implies intent.
A rolling of the eyes: Roided up is a state of existence—you either are or are not; it is wholly divorced from intent. To yellow sun physiologies, it almost always necessitates intent (unless you're Gary Sheffield), but not to a red sun physiology.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:A burying of my head in my hands: "'roided up," by it's very nature, implies intent.
A rolling of the eyes: Roided up is a state of existence—you either are or are not; it is wholly divorced from intent. To yellow sun physiologies, it almost always necessitates intent (unless you're Gary Sheffield), but not to a red sun physiology.
A thbbt: Thbbt.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

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Wolter wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:A burying of my head in my hands: "'roided up," by it's very nature, implies intent.
A rolling of the eyes: Roided up is a state of existence—you either are or are not; it is wholly divorced from intent. To yellow sun physiologies, it almost always necessitates intent (unless you're Gary Sheffield), but not to a red sun physiology.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

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An agreement: As usual, I'm with the poet on this one.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 17 Jun 2008, 1:45pm

Flex wrote:An agreement: As usual, I'm with the poet on this one.

A question: So you think that the red-yellow sun issue is irrelevant?
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Wolter » 17 Jun 2008, 1:46pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
Flex wrote:An agreement: As usual, I'm with the poet on this one.

A question: So you think that the red-yellow sun issue is irrelevant?
A clarification: I never said it was irrelevant. I just questioned your use of steroids as an analogue to the yellow sun.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
Flex wrote:An agreement: As usual, I'm with the poet on this one.

A question: So you think that the red-yellow sun issue is irrelevant?

An affirmation: yes. Putting aside the issue of intent (which wolterpoet is correct about), there aren't even any rules on the books regarding what kind of sun rays Supes can soak up! Without the JLA or something clearly defining what sources of superpowers are allowable, as well as outlining the punishments for breaking those rules - Supes gets a free pass.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Wolter » 17 Jun 2008, 1:50pm

Flex wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Flex wrote:An agreement: As usual, I'm with the poet on this one.

A question: So you think that the red-yellow sun issue is irrelevant?

An affirmation: yes. Putting aside the issue of intent (which wolterpoet is correct about), there aren't even any rules on the books regarding what kind of sun rays Supes can soak up! Without the JLA or something clearly defining what sources of superpowers are allowable, as well as outlining the punishments for breaking those rules - Supes gets a free pass.
Great job, Wesley Dodds!
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 17 Jun 2008, 1:56pm

Flex wrote:An affirmation: yes. Putting aside the issue of intent (which wolterpoet is correct about)
Explain further. If I've been unknowingly fed steroids, it doesn't make me any less juiced up. Whether Kal-El wants to the yellow sun to have that effect on him, it doesn't change that effect.
there aren't even any rules on the books regarding what kind of sun rays Supes can soak up! Without the JLA or something clearly defining what sources of superpowers are allowable, as well as outlining the punishments for breaking those rules - Supes gets a free pass.
I'm not following this at all. I'm not talking about the results being criminal or not.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Wolter » 17 Jun 2008, 1:56pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
Flex wrote:An affirmation: yes. Putting aside the issue of intent (which wolterpoet is correct about)
Explain further. If I've been unknowingly fed steroids, it doesn't make me any less juiced up. Whether Kal-El wants to the yellow sun to have that effect on him, it doesn't change that effect.
there aren't even any rules on the books regarding what kind of sun rays Supes can soak up! Without the JLA or something clearly defining what sources of superpowers are allowable, as well as outlining the punishments for breaking those rules - Supes gets a free pass.
I'm not following this at all. I'm not talking about the results being criminal or not.
A conclusion: then you should avoid loaded terms like "'roided up."
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 17 Jun 2008, 2:00pm

Wolter wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Flex wrote:An affirmation: yes. Putting aside the issue of intent (which wolterpoet is correct about)
Explain further. If I've been unknowingly fed steroids, it doesn't make me any less juiced up. Whether Kal-El wants to the yellow sun to have that effect on him, it doesn't change that effect.
there aren't even any rules on the books regarding what kind of sun rays Supes can soak up! Without the JLA or something clearly defining what sources of superpowers are allowable, as well as outlining the punishments for breaking those rules - Supes gets a free pass.
I'm not following this at all. I'm not talking about the results being criminal or not.
A conclusion: then you should avoid loaded terms like "'roided up."
A mistake: That people would take me so literally. I meant roided up as akin to any PED. Just because he can't control the effect doesn't lessen solar radiation's PED-like effect on him.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Wolter » 17 Jun 2008, 2:13pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Flex wrote:An affirmation: yes. Putting aside the issue of intent (which wolterpoet is correct about)
Explain further. If I've been unknowingly fed steroids, it doesn't make me any less juiced up. Whether Kal-El wants to the yellow sun to have that effect on him, it doesn't change that effect.
there aren't even any rules on the books regarding what kind of sun rays Supes can soak up! Without the JLA or something clearly defining what sources of superpowers are allowable, as well as outlining the punishments for breaking those rules - Supes gets a free pass.
I'm not following this at all. I'm not talking about the results being criminal or not.
A conclusion: then you should avoid loaded terms like "'roided up."
A mistake: That people would take me so literally. I meant roided up as akin to any PED. Just because he can't control the effect doesn't lessen solar radiation's PED-like effect on him.
An ad hominem attack: Just admit it, you hate our freedom.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 17 Jun 2008, 2:20pm

Wolter wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Flex wrote:An affirmation: yes. Putting aside the issue of intent (which wolterpoet is correct about)
Explain further. If I've been unknowingly fed steroids, it doesn't make me any less juiced up. Whether Kal-El wants to the yellow sun to have that effect on him, it doesn't change that effect.
there aren't even any rules on the books regarding what kind of sun rays Supes can soak up! Without the JLA or something clearly defining what sources of superpowers are allowable, as well as outlining the punishments for breaking those rules - Supes gets a free pass.
I'm not following this at all. I'm not talking about the results being criminal or not.
A conclusion: then you should avoid loaded terms like "'roided up."
A mistake: That people would take me so literally. I meant roided up as akin to any PED. Just because he can't control the effect doesn't lessen solar radiation's PED-like effect on him.
An ad hominem attack: Just admit it, you hate our freedom.
An obvious answer: Of course I do—that's why Canada didn't send troops to Iraq. But that doesn't change my position otherwise.
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