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Re: Flex and Wolter's Den of Nerdly Awesomeness
Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 6:54pm
by Dr. Medulla
Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 6:40pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:59pm
Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:51pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:48pm
Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:46pm
I kind of want to stop reading Marvel comics but I NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN X-MEN
People die, they come back to life, except much more convoluted.
I don't want to pick it up in 5 years and have to figure out whatever the new status quo is.
In hindsight, X-Men started going to fuck with the Dark Phoenix story. Sure, some good stories here and there, but as a trajectory it piled on the ridiculous to the point of total bafflement.
I don't think I can agree with that. That's way too early on.
Dark Phoenix led to Madeline Pryor, which led to alternate timelines and future spawn coming back to the past, tons and tons and tons more mutants, and all that crap. Claremont may have made the series successful, but he also made it less appealing to me. Which, unfortunately, puts me in Byrne's camp, as he, not surprisingly, blames Claremont for all that went wrong.
Re: Flex and Wolter's Den of Nerdly Awesomeness
Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 7:19pm
by Kory
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 6:54pm
Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 6:40pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:59pm
Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:51pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:48pm
People die, they come back to life, except much more convoluted.
I don't want to pick it up in 5 years and have to figure out whatever the new status quo is.
In hindsight, X-Men started going to fuck with the Dark Phoenix story. Sure, some good stories here and there, but as a trajectory it piled on the ridiculous to the point of total bafflement.
I don't think I can agree with that. That's way too early on.
Dark Phoenix led to Madeline Pryor, which led to alternate timelines and future spawn coming back to the past, tons and tons and tons more mutants, and all that crap. Claremont may have made the series successful, but he also made it less appealing to me. Which, unfortunately, puts me in Byrne's camp, as he, not surprisingly, blames Claremont for all that went wrong.
You can't blame Claremont for the tons and tons and tons more mutants. That was a product of the late 90s and particularly Morrison. You can say Claremont opened the gate for it to happen but it's up to the writers and editors that came after not to be dicks about it.
Re: Flex and Wolter's Den of Nerdly Awesomeness
Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 7:23pm
by Dr. Medulla
Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 7:19pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 6:54pm
Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 6:40pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:59pm
Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:51pm
I don't want to pick it up in 5 years and have to figure out whatever the new status quo is.
In hindsight, X-Men started going to fuck with the Dark Phoenix story. Sure, some good stories here and there, but as a trajectory it piled on the ridiculous to the point of total bafflement.
I don't think I can agree with that. That's way too early on.
Dark Phoenix led to Madeline Pryor, which led to alternate timelines and future spawn coming back to the past, tons and tons and tons more mutants, and all that crap. Claremont may have made the series successful, but he also made it less appealing to me. Which, unfortunately, puts me in Byrne's camp, as he, not surprisingly, blames Claremont for all that went wrong.
You can't blame Claremont for the tons and tons and tons more mutants. That was a product of the late 90s and particularly Morrison.
You can say Claremont opened the gate for it to happen but it's up to the writers and editors that came after not to be dicks about it.
Yep, that's my position—he set it up.
Re: Flex and Wolter's Den of Nerdly Awesomeness
Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 7:27pm
by Kory
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 7:23pm
Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 7:19pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 6:54pm
Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 6:40pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:59pm
In hindsight, X-Men started going to fuck with the Dark Phoenix story. Sure, some good stories here and there, but as a trajectory it piled on the ridiculous to the point of total bafflement.
I don't think I can agree with that. That's way too early on.
Dark Phoenix led to Madeline Pryor, which led to alternate timelines and future spawn coming back to the past, tons and tons and tons more mutants, and all that crap. Claremont may have made the series successful, but he also made it less appealing to me. Which, unfortunately, puts me in Byrne's camp, as he, not surprisingly, blames Claremont for all that went wrong.
You can't blame Claremont for the tons and tons and tons more mutants. That was a product of the late 90s and particularly Morrison.
You can say Claremont opened the gate for it to happen but it's up to the writers and editors that came after not to be dicks about it.
Yep, that's my position—he set it up.
That's like blaming the Beatles for Charles Manson.
Re: Flex and Wolter's Den of Nerdly Awesomeness
Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 7:35pm
by Dr. Medulla
Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 7:27pm
That's like blaming the Beatles for Charles Manson.
Which I do, only semi-tongue-in-cheek. Following McKinney's argument about the Beatles, they unshackled the minds of millions of Boomers to the idea of a different, better world. That some interpreted different and better in a wholly fucked up way is neither here nor there. This doesn't make the Beatles legally or morally culpable for intent, but if we credit them for setting off young people toward the Summer of Love and all that, which we tend to do, then it should follow that they get blame for the hippies who turned into monsters. Put another way, if you conclude that we wouldn't have had peaceful hippies without the Beatles, then we wouldn't have had homicidal hippies without them, too.
Re: Flex and Wolter's Den of Nerdly Awesomeness
Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 11:10pm
by Wolter
I love Madelyne Pryor and I don't care. She got a raw deal.
Re: Flex and Wolter's Den of Nerdly Awesomeness
Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 11:13pm
by Kory
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 7:35pm
Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 7:27pm
That's like blaming the Beatles for Charles Manson.
Which I do, only semi-tongue-in-cheek. Following McKinney's argument about the Beatles, they unshackled the minds of millions of Boomers to the idea of a different, better world. That some interpreted different and better in a wholly fucked up way is neither here nor there. This doesn't make the Beatles legally or morally culpable for intent, but if we credit them for setting off young people toward the Summer of Love and all that, which we tend to do, then it should follow that they get blame for the hippies who turned into monsters. Put another way, if you conclude that we wouldn't have had peaceful hippies without the Beatles, then we wouldn't have had homicidal hippies without them, too.
Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree on the X-Men score at least. The majority of Claremont's run is my favorite superhero comic of all time, and I also like a big chunk of everything from House of M until Bendis ended his run. Onslaught can suck eggs though.
Re: Flex and Wolter's Den of Nerdly Awesomeness
Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 11:14pm
by Kory
Wolter wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 11:10pm
I love Madelyne Pryor and I don't care. She got a raw deal.
Yes. Now
this is a post I can agree with.
Re: Flex and Wolter's Den of Nerdly Awesomeness
Posted: 28 Nov 2017, 9:28am
by Dr. Medulla
That is one kinky pick-up line.
Re: Flex and Wolter's Den of Nerdly Awesomeness
Posted: 30 Nov 2017, 8:26am
by Dr. Medulla
Re: Flex and Wolter's Den of Nerdly Awesomeness
Posted: 05 Dec 2017, 8:57am
by Dr. Medulla
Mark Trail has become the most fascinating strip for strange, seemingly unconnected panels.
Re: Flex and Wolter's Den of Nerdly Awesomeness
Posted: 05 Dec 2017, 9:36am
by Wolter
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 8:57am
Mark Trail has become the most fascinating strip for strange, seemingly unconnected panels.
Oh my god.
Re: Flex and Wolter's Den of Nerdly Awesomeness
Posted: 05 Dec 2017, 9:39am
by eumaas
Wolter wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 9:36am
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 8:57am
Mark Trail has become the most fascinating strip for strange, seemingly unconnected panels.
Oh my god.
what is this fucking thing about anyway?
Re: Flex and Wolter's Den of Nerdly Awesomeness
Posted: 05 Dec 2017, 9:54am
by Dr. Medulla
eumaas wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 9:39am
Wolter wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 9:36am
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 8:57am
Mark Trail has become the most fascinating strip for strange, seemingly unconnected panels.
Oh my god.
what is this fucking thing about anyway?
It's an adventure strip. It's about adventure.
Re: Flex and Wolter's Den of Nerdly Awesomeness
Posted: 05 Dec 2017, 1:54pm
by Kory
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 9:54am
eumaas wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 9:39am
Wolter wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 9:36am
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 8:57am
Mark Trail has become the most fascinating strip for strange, seemingly unconnected panels.
Oh my god.
what is this fucking thing about anyway?
It's an adventure strip. It's about adventure.
Adventures of the subconscious.
