Dark Phoenix led to Madeline Pryor, which led to alternate timelines and future spawn coming back to the past, tons and tons and tons more mutants, and all that crap. Claremont may have made the series successful, but he also made it less appealing to me. Which, unfortunately, puts me in Byrne's camp, as he, not surprisingly, blames Claremont for all that went wrong.Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 6:40pmI don't think I can agree with that. That's way too early on.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:59pmIn hindsight, X-Men started going to fuck with the Dark Phoenix story. Sure, some good stories here and there, but as a trajectory it piled on the ridiculous to the point of total bafflement.Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:51pmI don't want to pick it up in 5 years and have to figure out whatever the new status quo is.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:48pmPeople die, they come back to life, except much more convoluted.
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You can't blame Claremont for the tons and tons and tons more mutants. That was a product of the late 90s and particularly Morrison. You can say Claremont opened the gate for it to happen but it's up to the writers and editors that came after not to be dicks about it.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 6:54pmDark Phoenix led to Madeline Pryor, which led to alternate timelines and future spawn coming back to the past, tons and tons and tons more mutants, and all that crap. Claremont may have made the series successful, but he also made it less appealing to me. Which, unfortunately, puts me in Byrne's camp, as he, not surprisingly, blames Claremont for all that went wrong.Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 6:40pmI don't think I can agree with that. That's way too early on.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:59pmIn hindsight, X-Men started going to fuck with the Dark Phoenix story. Sure, some good stories here and there, but as a trajectory it piled on the ridiculous to the point of total bafflement.Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:51pmI don't want to pick it up in 5 years and have to figure out whatever the new status quo is.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:48pm
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Yep, that's my position—he set it up.Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 7:19pmYou can't blame Claremont for the tons and tons and tons more mutants. That was a product of the late 90s and particularly Morrison. You can say Claremont opened the gate for it to happen but it's up to the writers and editors that came after not to be dicks about it.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 6:54pmDark Phoenix led to Madeline Pryor, which led to alternate timelines and future spawn coming back to the past, tons and tons and tons more mutants, and all that crap. Claremont may have made the series successful, but he also made it less appealing to me. Which, unfortunately, puts me in Byrne's camp, as he, not surprisingly, blames Claremont for all that went wrong.Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 6:40pmI don't think I can agree with that. That's way too early on.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:59pmIn hindsight, X-Men started going to fuck with the Dark Phoenix story. Sure, some good stories here and there, but as a trajectory it piled on the ridiculous to the point of total bafflement.
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That's like blaming the Beatles for Charles Manson.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 7:23pmYep, that's my position—he set it up.Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 7:19pmYou can't blame Claremont for the tons and tons and tons more mutants. That was a product of the late 90s and particularly Morrison. You can say Claremont opened the gate for it to happen but it's up to the writers and editors that came after not to be dicks about it.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 6:54pmDark Phoenix led to Madeline Pryor, which led to alternate timelines and future spawn coming back to the past, tons and tons and tons more mutants, and all that crap. Claremont may have made the series successful, but he also made it less appealing to me. Which, unfortunately, puts me in Byrne's camp, as he, not surprisingly, blames Claremont for all that went wrong.Kory wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 6:40pmI don't think I can agree with that. That's way too early on.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 1:59pm
In hindsight, X-Men started going to fuck with the Dark Phoenix story. Sure, some good stories here and there, but as a trajectory it piled on the ridiculous to the point of total bafflement.
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Which I do, only semi-tongue-in-cheek. Following McKinney's argument about the Beatles, they unshackled the minds of millions of Boomers to the idea of a different, better world. That some interpreted different and better in a wholly fucked up way is neither here nor there. This doesn't make the Beatles legally or morally culpable for intent, but if we credit them for setting off young people toward the Summer of Love and all that, which we tend to do, then it should follow that they get blame for the hippies who turned into monsters. Put another way, if you conclude that we wouldn't have had peaceful hippies without the Beatles, then we wouldn't have had homicidal hippies without them, too.
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I love Madelyne Pryor and I don't care. She got a raw deal.
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Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree on the X-Men score at least. The majority of Claremont's run is my favorite superhero comic of all time, and I also like a big chunk of everything from House of M until Bendis ended his run. Onslaught can suck eggs though.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 7:35pmWhich I do, only semi-tongue-in-cheek. Following McKinney's argument about the Beatles, they unshackled the minds of millions of Boomers to the idea of a different, better world. That some interpreted different and better in a wholly fucked up way is neither here nor there. This doesn't make the Beatles legally or morally culpable for intent, but if we credit them for setting off young people toward the Summer of Love and all that, which we tend to do, then it should follow that they get blame for the hippies who turned into monsters. Put another way, if you conclude that we wouldn't have had peaceful hippies without the Beatles, then we wouldn't have had homicidal hippies without them, too.
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Yes. Now this is a post I can agree with.
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That is one kinky pick-up line.
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Mark Trail has become the most fascinating strip for strange, seemingly unconnected panels.
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Oh my god.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 8:57amMark Trail has become the most fascinating strip for strange, seemingly unconnected panels.
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what is this fucking thing about anyway?Wolter wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 9:36amOh my god.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 8:57amMark Trail has become the most fascinating strip for strange, seemingly unconnected panels.
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It's an adventure strip. It's about adventure.
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Adventures of the subconscious.
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