Middle age health thread for fatties

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BostonBeaneater wrote:
18 Aug 2018, 12:53pm
Mimi wrote:
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Our homegrown strawberries barely made it home from the allotment. Some of that is cos I kept eating them on the walk, but there you go.
I cannot keep strawberries fresh anywhere in my house. I might as well fucking freeze them because if they’re in my fridge for more than 13 minutes, half of them are rotten.

Oh, I’m down 16 pounds as of today. I’m finally at the weight I was in 2006 when I said “holy shit this is as fat as I’ve ever been.”
Good for you!
I’m going to the gym right now.
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Mimi wrote:
18 Aug 2018, 1:00pm
BostonBeaneater wrote:
18 Aug 2018, 12:53pm
Mimi wrote:
18 Aug 2018, 12:27pm
Wolter wrote:
18 Aug 2018, 10:52am
Silent Majority wrote:
18 Aug 2018, 10:37am
Our homegrown strawberries barely made it home from the allotment. Some of that is cos I kept eating them on the walk, but there you go.
I cannot keep strawberries fresh anywhere in my house. I might as well fucking freeze them because if they’re in my fridge for more than 13 minutes, half of them are rotten.

Oh, I’m down 16 pounds as of today. I’m finally at the weight I was in 2006 when I said “holy shit this is as fat as I’ve ever been.”
Good for you!
I’m going to the gym right now.
Git 'er dun!
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Way to go Beaneater! Love the shirt.

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revbob wrote:
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Way to go Beaneater! Love the shirt.
Thanks. It’s a subtle fuck you to bad people.
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matedog wrote:
17 Aug 2018, 4:58pm
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matedog wrote:
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Has anyone yet made a GMO OMG thing?
I never even noticed that.
Me neither.

I'm no expert, but the only thing I can tell that's bad about GMOs is big ag's shady/aggressive business practices involving them.
Yeah, it’s not really anything to do with health. It’s just attempts to trademark a gene sequence.
But like stupid hippies and rich liberals think they are unhealthy because they aren't "natural" right?
And Alex Jones types, too.
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GMO discussion has probably done a disservice to some of the actual issues people may care about by all rolling it up under one umbrella. As a category, it's completely nonsense (corn is famously only edible because of generations of genetic modification to turn it into a consumable crop), but tucked in are some issues worth considering.

Most of the more normal folks I know who consider themselves "anti-GMO" stake out their position on being concerned around the proliferation of monocrops, both from an environmental health perspective and then from a consumer/variety perspective. Those are pretty fair concerns: it's rather famously documented that there was a massive shift towards genetically engineering monocrops to have brighter colors, last on the shelf longer, and diminish flavor. This usually goes hand in hand with broader concerns about industrial agricultural practices. If that's the criteria for being "anti-GMO" then I would probably fall into that camp too.

Like politics and a lot of things, most folks don't think that long about this stuff so you end up with very broad labels encompassing a variety of concerns, and can make bedfellows of people with principled concerns about the food we eat and wacky alex jones types.
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Flex wrote:
20 Aug 2018, 10:41am
GMO discussion has probably done a disservice to some of the actual issues people may care about by all rolling it up under one umbrella. As a category, it's completely nonsense (corn is famously only edible because of generations of genetic modification to turn it into a consumable crop), but tucked in are some issues worth considering.

Most of the more normal folks I know who consider themselves "anti-GMO" stake out their position on being concerned around the proliferation of monocrops, both from an environmental health perspective and then from a consumer/variety perspective. Those are pretty fair concerns: it's rather famously documented that there was a massive shift towards genetically engineering monocrops to have brighter colors, last on the shelf longer, and diminish flavor. This usually goes hand in hand with broader concerns about industrial agricultural practices. If that's the criteria for being "anti-GMO" then I would probably fall into that camp too.

Like politics and a lot of things, most folks don't think that long about this stuff so you end up with very broad labels encompassing a variety of concerns, and can make bedfellows of people with principled concerns about the food we eat and wacky alex jones types.
This. Another GMO issue is crops with sterile seeds requiring the purchase of all new seeds every planting season.
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Flex wrote:
20 Aug 2018, 10:41am
GMO discussion has probably done a disservice to some of the actual issues people may care about by all rolling it up under one umbrella. As a category, it's completely nonsense (corn is famously only edible because of generations of genetic modification to turn it into a consumable crop), but tucked in are some issues worth considering.

Most of the more normal folks I know who consider themselves "anti-GMO" stake out their position on being concerned around the proliferation of monocrops, both from an environmental health perspective and then from a consumer/variety perspective. Those are pretty fair concerns: it's rather famously documented that there was a massive shift towards genetically engineering monocrops to have brighter colors, last on the shelf longer, and diminish flavor. This usually goes hand in hand with broader concerns about industrial agricultural practices. If that's the criteria for being "anti-GMO" then I would probably fall into that camp too.

Like politics and a lot of things, most folks don't think that long about this stuff so you end up with very broad labels encompassing a variety of concerns, and can make bedfellows of people with principled concerns about the food we eat and wacky alex jones types.
Or, on the other side, Jello Biafra, who has ranted about Frankenfoods.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Aug 2018, 10:57am
Or, on the other side, Jello Biafra, who has ranted about Frankenfoods.
Yeah, he probably introduced me to the concept of GMOs. But even there, it's sort of interesting. He throws out some unsupportable nonsense about potential health effects of GMOs, but he also brings up environmental concerns with industrial ag practices, which are real. I wouldn't cite Jello as an example of a well-considered position on the subject, but an example of how disentangling some of these issues might be a benefit to everybody.
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My biggest issue, and I think Hoy mentioned this, is the lousy business practices of companies like the Jortsville's own Monsanto. They have enough food to feed the world, but they don't do anything with it.
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Flex wrote:
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
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Or, on the other side, Jello Biafra, who has ranted about Frankenfoods.
Yeah, he probably introduced me to the concept of GMOs. But even there, it's sort of interesting. He throws out some unsupportable nonsense about potential health effects of GMOs, but he also brings up environmental concerns with industrial ag practices, which are real. I wouldn't cite Jello as an example of a well-considered position on the subject, but an example of how disentangling some of these issues might be a benefit to everybody.
And it's not even that terribly difficult to disentangle. The ugly crap can be traced to capitalism's ironic championing of a free market but rigging it to the benefit of the wealthy capitalists. The anti-GMO side would lose a lot of its steam if family farms were able to exist and provide greater yield grain crops for people throughout the world. It's the corporate end of things that fuels the suspicion and sends it in silly places.
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Flex wrote:
20 Aug 2018, 10:41am
Most of the more normal folks I know who consider themselves "anti-GMO" stake out their position on being concerned around the proliferation of monocrops, both from an environmental health perspective and then from a consumer/variety perspective. Those are pretty fair concerns: it's rather famously documented that there was a massive shift towards genetically engineering monocrops to have brighter colors, last on the shelf longer, and diminish flavor. This usually goes hand in hand with broader concerns about industrial agricultural practices. If that's the criteria for being "anti-GMO" then I would probably fall into that camp too.
What is the benefit of engineering crops to have diminished flavor?
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Kory wrote:
20 Aug 2018, 1:47pm
Flex wrote:
20 Aug 2018, 10:41am
Most of the more normal folks I know who consider themselves "anti-GMO" stake out their position on being concerned around the proliferation of monocrops, both from an environmental health perspective and then from a consumer/variety perspective. Those are pretty fair concerns: it's rather famously documented that there was a massive shift towards genetically engineering monocrops to have brighter colors, last on the shelf longer, and diminish flavor. This usually goes hand in hand with broader concerns about industrial agricultural practices. If that's the criteria for being "anti-GMO" then I would probably fall into that camp too.
What is the benefit of engineering crops to have diminished flavor?
To get us used to lowered expectations in all aspects of life. Similar arguments are made in the cultural sphere, about a gradual numbing of our minds to make us more accepting of capitalist domination.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Aug 2018, 1:50pm
Kory wrote:
20 Aug 2018, 1:47pm
Flex wrote:
20 Aug 2018, 10:41am
Most of the more normal folks I know who consider themselves "anti-GMO" stake out their position on being concerned around the proliferation of monocrops, both from an environmental health perspective and then from a consumer/variety perspective. Those are pretty fair concerns: it's rather famously documented that there was a massive shift towards genetically engineering monocrops to have brighter colors, last on the shelf longer, and diminish flavor. This usually goes hand in hand with broader concerns about industrial agricultural practices. If that's the criteria for being "anti-GMO" then I would probably fall into that camp too.
What is the benefit of engineering crops to have diminished flavor?
To get us used to lowered expectations in all aspects of life. Similar arguments are made in the cultural sphere, about a gradual numbing of our minds to make us more accepting of capitalist domination.
That seems so conspiracy theorist. Oh well, I guess I won't worry about it.
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Kory wrote:
20 Aug 2018, 1:54pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Aug 2018, 1:50pm
Kory wrote:
20 Aug 2018, 1:47pm
Flex wrote:
20 Aug 2018, 10:41am
Most of the more normal folks I know who consider themselves "anti-GMO" stake out their position on being concerned around the proliferation of monocrops, both from an environmental health perspective and then from a consumer/variety perspective. Those are pretty fair concerns: it's rather famously documented that there was a massive shift towards genetically engineering monocrops to have brighter colors, last on the shelf longer, and diminish flavor. This usually goes hand in hand with broader concerns about industrial agricultural practices. If that's the criteria for being "anti-GMO" then I would probably fall into that camp too.
What is the benefit of engineering crops to have diminished flavor?
To get us used to lowered expectations in all aspects of life. Similar arguments are made in the cultural sphere, about a gradual numbing of our minds to make us more accepting of capitalist domination.
That seems so conspiracy theorist. Oh well, I guess I won't worry about it.
To certain stripes of leftist, capitalism is a well-ordered plot and not an out of control beast.
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