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Re: Star Trek

Post by eumaas » 14 Feb 2018, 6:11pm

We have started to watch Voyager. I only ever watched it once, as it aired. It is so awful. We aren’t even watching it with full attention, more as just background while doing something else like arts and crafts, but we have to turn it off sometimes because it is so bad. And yet we have friends who rate it highly, higher than fucking DS9!
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Re: Star Trek

Post by Dr. Medulla » 14 Feb 2018, 6:20pm

eumaas wrote:
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We have started to watch Voyager. I only ever watched it once, as it aired. It is so awful. We aren’t even watching it with full attention, more as just background while doing something else like arts and crafts, but we have to turn it off sometimes because it is so bad. And yet we have friends who rate it highly, higher than fucking DS9!
Doctor-centric episodes tend to be better—the one where he created a holographic family, I recall, was pretty good—but the whole damned series was pancake flat. It wasn't a problem of concept—not all that different from TOS—but just crappy scripts and dull characters.
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Re: Star Trek

Post by eumaas » 14 Feb 2018, 6:21pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Feb 2018, 6:20pm
eumaas wrote:
14 Feb 2018, 6:11pm
We have started to watch Voyager. I only ever watched it once, as it aired. It is so awful. We aren’t even watching it with full attention, more as just background while doing something else like arts and crafts, but we have to turn it off sometimes because it is so bad. And yet we have friends who rate it highly, higher than fucking DS9!
Doctor-centric episodes tend to be better—the one where he created a holographic family, I recall, was pretty good—but the whole damned series was pancake flat. It wasn't a problem of concept—not all that different from TOS—but just crappy scripts and dull characters.
The amount of technobabble is higher than any other series I think, to the point where I wondered if Janeway was supposed to have an engineering background.
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Re: Star Trek

Post by Flex » 14 Feb 2018, 6:23pm

I warmed to it a bit when I picked up those multi-series dvd sets that focused on a theme. It cherry picked the best episodes of the series which made it seem kinda good. Then I watched the whole thing and I realized it was... not... good.
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Re: Star Trek

Post by Dr. Medulla » 14 Feb 2018, 6:30pm

eumaas wrote:
14 Feb 2018, 6:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Feb 2018, 6:20pm
eumaas wrote:
14 Feb 2018, 6:11pm
We have started to watch Voyager. I only ever watched it once, as it aired. It is so awful. We aren’t even watching it with full attention, more as just background while doing something else like arts and crafts, but we have to turn it off sometimes because it is so bad. And yet we have friends who rate it highly, higher than fucking DS9!
Doctor-centric episodes tend to be better—the one where he created a holographic family, I recall, was pretty good—but the whole damned series was pancake flat. It wasn't a problem of concept—not all that different from TOS—but just crappy scripts and dull characters.
The amount of technobabble is higher than any other series I think, to the point where I wondered if Janeway was supposed to have an engineering background.
If you're right about the technobabble part, it speaks to a problem shared by succeeding series—Enterprise and Discovery—which is fan-servicing. Star Trek goes bad when it caters to expert fans to the exclusion of others.
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Re: Star Trek

Post by eumaas » 14 Feb 2018, 6:31pm

The Doctor is probably the best part as Neil says but doesn’t save it. The weird militaristic shit always bugged me. No other Trek depicts Starfleet like that, even DS9 which is set during a damn war.
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Re: Star Trek

Post by eumaas » 14 Feb 2018, 6:31pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Feb 2018, 6:30pm
eumaas wrote:
14 Feb 2018, 6:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Feb 2018, 6:20pm
eumaas wrote:
14 Feb 2018, 6:11pm
We have started to watch Voyager. I only ever watched it once, as it aired. It is so awful. We aren’t even watching it with full attention, more as just background while doing something else like arts and crafts, but we have to turn it off sometimes because it is so bad. And yet we have friends who rate it highly, higher than fucking DS9!
Doctor-centric episodes tend to be better—the one where he created a holographic family, I recall, was pretty good—but the whole damned series was pancake flat. It wasn't a problem of concept—not all that different from TOS—but just crappy scripts and dull characters.
The amount of technobabble is higher than any other series I think, to the point where I wondered if Janeway was supposed to have an engineering background.
If you're right about the technobabble part, it speaks to a problem shared by succeeding series—Enterprise and Discovery—which is fan-servicing. Star Trek goes bad when it caters to expert fans to the exclusion of others.
I still haven’t watched Discovery, but Enterprise is the only Trek I gave up on.
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Re: Star Trek

Post by Dr. Medulla » 14 Feb 2018, 6:43pm

eumaas wrote:
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I still haven’t watched Discovery, but Enterprise is the only Trek I gave up on.
A few years ago, I went back and watched all of Enterprise on Netflix. Some things were better than I remembered, but it was mostly really dull and meandering. The last season was dedicated to filling in potholes that hardcore fans burned for (e.g., why do Klingons look different in TOS?). Discovery is actually worse. We watched every episode because B wanted to stick it out, but I honestly and truly don't care about a single character. As Boddington said a couple months ago, it just doesn't feel like Star Trek. There's zero hope or wonder to it, even when it tries, just meanness and darkness. It might be decent sci-fi if it weren't tied to Star Trek—maybe—but it is and that works against it.
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Re: Star Trek

Post by revbob » 15 Feb 2018, 7:20pm

I never watched the quantum leap Star Trek it looked, and I dont want to sound superficial, boring. Tried Voyager but found that boring for sure and couldnt care less about any of the characters. DS9 was the pinnacle and I dont think they will ever be that good again. Sisco was just a powerful character and the supporting cast/crew were all excellent.

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Re: Star Trek

Post by Flex » 15 Feb 2018, 7:22pm

i kept waiting for scott bakula's next leap to be the leap home after every episode of ENT. alas.
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Re: Star Trek

Post by Dr. Medulla » 01 Mar 2018, 9:07pm

Nice article on DS9: https://io9.gizmodo.com/to-boldly-stay- ... 1823186821

"Duet" was on again last week. It really does grab hold of one's sense of war, war crimes, and how we deal with its aftermath—the dead are dead, but the living inherit the consequences and moral reckoning. I remember when I was going to school in Iowa, a bunch of us grad students went to Life is Beautiful. One of our group was a young woman from Germany, and she was visibly shaken by the movie and quickly excused herself after the movie ended. It really struck me how to those who are neither German nor Jewish (or, in some circumstances, Polish or Ukrainian) the Holocaust is rather abstract, but to her, it was apparent, it was legacy.
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Re: Star Trek

Post by eumaas » 17 May 2018, 9:54pm

Started watching Discovery. Seems more like a show inspired by Trek (in the loosest way!) than a Trek show. It also doesn’t at all seem like it could have come before TOS. I don’t mean visually (of course they would have to be updated), but tonally (not to mention weird continuity differences). It’s an okay scifi show I guess but it isn’t Trek.

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Re: Star Trek

Post by eumaas » 17 May 2018, 10:02pm

It doesn't seem like fan service to me. If anything it seems remote from the essence and themes of Star Trek. You could easily strip out the usual signifiers like Federation, Klingon, etc and it would be the same.
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Re: Star Trek

Post by Dr. Medulla » 18 May 2018, 6:20am

eumaas wrote:
17 May 2018, 9:54pm
It’s an okay scifi show I guess but it isn’t Trek.
That's where I'm at. Everything that's frustrating about it comes from thinking about it within the larger Star Trek narrative, where it just doesn't mesh. As one observer said (I posted it back when episodes were airing), it could be more plausible if it took place after all the other series ended, picking up DS9's more wary view of the Federation and Star Fleet.
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