Heston and Marky's Friday Top 5

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Heston wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:35pm
101Walterton wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:30pm
Silent Majority wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:24pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:16pm
JennyB wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 2:56pm


What do you all think? Is Heston wrong, per usual?
I'm not much of a fan of "Freedom 90" but I think "Faith" is great.
Yeah, Faith is good. Wake Me Up Before You Go Go is fun.
I hate faith but Go Go is poptastic.
I hate Faith as well, some Wham stuff was good and I like "Praying For Time" from George's solo career. What I mainly hate about George Michael is he pronounces some words in this exaggerated style. In Freedom 90 it's that bit when he sings "please don't give uuuurp." Loads of similar instances in Faith.
I don't care at all for George's vocals on Faith but it's damned hard for me not to like the tune especially as it's a complete rip-off from The Cure's "Close to Me" which is great.
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Marky Dread wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 11:55pm
Heston wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:35pm
101Walterton wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:30pm
Silent Majority wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:24pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:16pm


I'm not much of a fan of "Freedom 90" but I think "Faith" is great.
Yeah, Faith is good. Wake Me Up Before You Go Go is fun.
I hate faith but Go Go is poptastic.
I hate Faith as well, some Wham stuff was good and I like "Praying For Time" from George's solo career. What I mainly hate about George Michael is he pronounces some words in this exaggerated style. In Freedom 90 it's that bit when he sings "please don't give uuuurp." Loads of similar instances in Faith.
I don't care at all for George's vocals on Faith but it's damned hard for me not to like the tune especially as it's a complete rip-off from The Cure's "Close to Me" which is great.
1985

1987
That makes me dislike Faith even more!!
Close To Me is a great song I agree but I hate the vocals and even more so the lyrics on Faith.

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1. Dalek I - Freedom Fighters
2.  Blue Mink - Good Morning Freedom
3.  Heaven 17 - Let me go
4. Steppenwolf  -  Born to be Wild
5. Tom Robinson Band - I Shall be released (Dylan)
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Marky Dread wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 11:55pm
Heston wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:35pm
101Walterton wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:30pm
Silent Majority wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:24pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:16pm


I'm not much of a fan of "Freedom 90" but I think "Faith" is great.
Yeah, Faith is good. Wake Me Up Before You Go Go is fun.
I hate faith but Go Go is poptastic.
I hate Faith as well, some Wham stuff was good and I like "Praying For Time" from George's solo career. What I mainly hate about George Michael is he pronounces some words in this exaggerated style. In Freedom 90 it's that bit when he sings "please don't give uuuurp." Loads of similar instances in Faith.
I don't care at all for George's vocals on Faith but it's damned hard for me not to like the tune especially as it's a complete rip-off from The Cure's "Close to Me" which is great.
1985

1987
Nah, very different chord progressions. They just both kinda use the Bo Diddley beat (Faith explicitly does, Close to me somewhat less so) which just means that The Cure ripped the feel off from someone else.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 11:17am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 11:55pm
Heston wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:35pm
101Walterton wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:30pm
Silent Majority wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:24pm


Yeah, Faith is good. Wake Me Up Before You Go Go is fun.
I hate faith but Go Go is poptastic.
I hate Faith as well, some Wham stuff was good and I like "Praying For Time" from George's solo career. What I mainly hate about George Michael is he pronounces some words in this exaggerated style. In Freedom 90 it's that bit when he sings "please don't give uuuurp." Loads of similar instances in Faith.
I don't care at all for George's vocals on Faith but it's damned hard for me not to like the tune especially as it's a complete rip-off from The Cure's "Close to Me" which is great.
1985

1987
Nah, very different chord progressions. They just both kinda use the Bo Diddley beat (Faith explicitly does, Close to me somewhat less so) which just means that The Cure ripped the feel off from someone else.
The Bo Diddley beat was too obvious for me to mention as they both clearly owe a debt. But it's the bass lines that are so similar.
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Curfews have been curbing
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Marky Dread wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 11:48am
matedog wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 11:17am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 11:55pm
Heston wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:35pm
101Walterton wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:30pm


I hate faith but Go Go is poptastic.
I hate Faith as well, some Wham stuff was good and I like "Praying For Time" from George's solo career. What I mainly hate about George Michael is he pronounces some words in this exaggerated style. In Freedom 90 it's that bit when he sings "please don't give uuuurp." Loads of similar instances in Faith.
I don't care at all for George's vocals on Faith but it's damned hard for me not to like the tune especially as it's a complete rip-off from The Cure's "Close to Me" which is great.
1985

1987
Nah, very different chord progressions. They just both kinda use the Bo Diddley beat (Faith explicitly does, Close to me somewhat less so) which just means that The Cure ripped the feel off from someone else.
The Bo Diddley beat was too obvious for me to mention as they both clearly owe a debt. But it's the bass lines that are so similar.
But the bass is just rhythmically based around the Bo Diddley beat. I don't know how you'd base a song around that beat and not have the bass part be similar rhythmically without getting really creative.

For example:


Same as the other bass parts, the fill is on an early beat of the second measure, but largely similar.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 12:51pm
Marky Dread wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 11:48am
matedog wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 11:17am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 11:55pm
Heston wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 3:35pm


I hate Faith as well, some Wham stuff was good and I like "Praying For Time" from George's solo career. What I mainly hate about George Michael is he pronounces some words in this exaggerated style. In Freedom 90 it's that bit when he sings "please don't give uuuurp." Loads of similar instances in Faith.
I don't care at all for George's vocals on Faith but it's damned hard for me not to like the tune especially as it's a complete rip-off from The Cure's "Close to Me" which is great.
1985

1987
Nah, very different chord progressions. They just both kinda use the Bo Diddley beat (Faith explicitly does, Close to me somewhat less so) which just means that The Cure ripped the feel off from someone else.
The Bo Diddley beat was too obvious for me to mention as they both clearly owe a debt. But it's the bass lines that are so similar.
But the bass is just rhythmically based around the Bo Diddley beat. I don't know how you'd base a song around that beat and not have the bass part be similar rhythmically without getting really creative.

For example:


Same as the other bass parts, the fill is on an early beat of the second measure, but largely similar.
The bass on The Stones track you uploaded just follows traditionally the bo diddley guitar shuffle. But the bass on The Cure track is the main melody being followed by the keys. I don't hear any guitar on The Cure track.
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My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty


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No fuchsias for you.

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The Bo Diddley beat is called the PATTING JUBA you guys
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Kory wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 1:41pm
The Bo Diddley beat is called the PATTING JUBA you guys
Yeah but PATTING JUBA Is a Gunslinger just don't got the same ring to it. Think I'll call it the Ellas McDaniel beat.
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The like factor from the Cure song (vocals / lyrics aside) is the keyboard melody over the top which is missing from Faith.

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Jailbreak - Thin Lizzy
I Want To Be Free - Elvis P
King of the Whole Wide World - Elvis P
Me And Bobby McGee - Kris K
Gotta Gettaway - SLF
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The Housemartins - Freedom
Kirsty MacColl - Free World
John Lennon - Bring on the Lucie (Freeda Peeple)
Primal Scream - Loaded
Asian Dub Foundation - Free Satpal Ram

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Free Me - Roger Daltry

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daredevil wrote:
18 Nov 2018, 10:27pm
Free Me - Roger Daltry
Long time, no hear mate, good to see you posting again.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
19 Nov 2018, 3:26am
daredevil wrote:
18 Nov 2018, 10:27pm
Free Me - Roger Daltry
Long time, no hear mate, good to see you posting again.
Thanks Heston, I've had a great time reading all the threads that i've missed.

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