Heston and Marky's Friday Top 5

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Marky Dread wrote:
22 Oct 2017, 7:56am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
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Because I've been chugging a lot of thru TFC the last couple days, here's my goofy description: If the Beatles came out of the Get Back sessions rejuvenated and happy to play straight-on rock n roll together again for the next twenty or thirty years, that's what TFC sounds like.
I mean, you basically just described "power-pop," but you're not wrong.
Yeah, but there's a bit more sweetness and harmony in TFC than I associate with power pop (sometimes, but not always). Maybe I'm seeing more of a distinction there than is deserved.
You need to acknowledge the likes of "Bad Finger" and "The Raspberries" to get closer. The Beatles "Get Back" sessions you mentioned are a good staring point. With Power Pop it's a mix of before and after punk. There are those bands like the two I've just mentioned as examples then there is the New Wave Power Poppers like Katrina and the Waves etc. Teenage Fanclub are much closer to the pre punk bands in sound. But there are a lot of influences you get some Beach Boys harmonies then mix that up with the indie sound of The Vaselines/BMX Bandits/Captain America/Eugenius. Eugene Kelly of Vas/Cap Am/Eug was a close friend of the band playing on each others records.
I think that my Beatles allusion to TFC is mostly how pleased they sound to be making music. It's an emotional thing even more than aesthetics. We can certainly locate all kinds of influences and members of the family tree (like you've hit on). But when I hear the Beatles, even knowing the tensions and often bad feelings in the band, they always sounded so good playing together, and TFC generate that same sensation.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Oct 2017, 8:31am
Marky Dread wrote:
22 Oct 2017, 7:56am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Oct 2017, 6:22am
Wolter wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 11:08pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 7:26pm
Because I've been chugging a lot of thru TFC the last couple days, here's my goofy description: If the Beatles came out of the Get Back sessions rejuvenated and happy to play straight-on rock n roll together again for the next twenty or thirty years, that's what TFC sounds like.
I mean, you basically just described "power-pop," but you're not wrong.
Yeah, but there's a bit more sweetness and harmony in TFC than I associate with power pop (sometimes, but not always). Maybe I'm seeing more of a distinction there than is deserved.
You need to acknowledge the likes of "Bad Finger" and "The Raspberries" to get closer. The Beatles "Get Back" sessions you mentioned are a good staring point. With Power Pop it's a mix of before and after punk. There are those bands like the two I've just mentioned as examples then there is the New Wave Power Poppers like Katrina and the Waves etc. Teenage Fanclub are much closer to the pre punk bands in sound. But there are a lot of influences you get some Beach Boys harmonies then mix that up with the indie sound of The Vaselines/BMX Bandits/Captain America/Eugenius. Eugene Kelly of Vas/Cap Am/Eug was a close friend of the band playing on each others records.
I think that my Beatles allusion to TFC is mostly how pleased they sound to be making music. It's an emotional thing even more than aesthetics. We can certainly locate all kinds of influences and members of the family tree (like you've hit on). But when I hear the Beatles, even knowing the tensions and often bad feelings in the band, they always sounded so good playing together, and TFC generate that same sensation.
Yeah i always get a feel good factor to TFC. Like a sheer joy of making music they love.
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I've never understood why TFC wasn't bigger here. Their first album came out at the perfect time, and they were so much better than many of their peers (Lemonheads, Live). They were every bit as good as Sugar. I guess they weren't grunge enough.
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I've never understood why TFC wasn't bigger here. Their first album came out at the perfect time, and they were so much better than many of their peers (Lemonheads, Live). They were every bit as good as Sugar. I guess they weren't grunge enough.
Isn't one of the stories of the 90s how the US turned away from what was happening in the UK? From the 60s to the 80s, there was always a reliable UK presence on the US charts, but by the 90s it mostly dried up. Think of all those huge bands in the UK at the time—Oasis, Blur, etc—and they were pretty minor, niche concerns across the Atlantic. Diverging tastes only explains things so far; almost certainly there were business decisions made about access to markets and promotion that kept UK bands off American radio in favour of homegrown hip hop, grunge, and boy bands.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Oct 2017, 10:02am
JennyB wrote:
23 Oct 2017, 9:38am
I've never understood why TFC wasn't bigger here. Their first album came out at the perfect time, and they were so much better than many of their peers (Lemonheads, Live). They were every bit as good as Sugar. I guess they weren't grunge enough.
Isn't one of the stories of the 90s how the US turned away from what was happening in the UK? From the 60s to the 80s, there was always a reliable UK presence on the US charts, but by the 90s it mostly dried up. Think of all those huge bands in the UK at the time—Oasis, Blur, etc—and they were pretty minor, niche concerns across the Atlantic. Diverging tastes only explains things so far; almost certainly there were business decisions made about access to markets and promotion that kept UK bands off American radio in favour of homegrown hip hop, grunge, and boy bands.
Good point.
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JennyB wrote:
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I've never understood why TFC wasn't bigger here. Their first album came out at the perfect time, and they were so much better than many of their peers (Lemonheads, Live). They were every bit as good as Sugar. I guess they weren't grunge enough.
TFC are quite big here —


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TFC are quite big here —

Do you know if soccer is bigger than the Argos in Toronto? I don't really follow the CFL much—I watch the Riders come playoff time, but that's about it—but I don't get the impression that Toronto gives a fuck about the Argos anymore.
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Do you know if soccer is bigger than the Argos in Toronto? I don't really follow the CFL much—I watch the Riders come playoff time, but that's about it—but I don't get the impression that Toronto gives a fuck about the Argos anymore.
Definitely. TFC has done a great job taking advantage of the city's cosmopolitan/multicultural make-up — lots of soccer fans here who were rabid for national teams but didn't have a local club.

That the CFL is a minor league and MLS is the bigs (in North America anyway) probably doesn't help the 'Boatmen either. No one I know cares about the Argos, but even people who don't follow sports are usually interested in hearing about TFC.

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Inder wrote:
23 Oct 2017, 12:13pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
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Do you know if soccer is bigger than the Argos in Toronto? I don't really follow the CFL much—I watch the Riders come playoff time, but that's about it—but I don't get the impression that Toronto gives a fuck about the Argos anymore.
Definitely. TFC has done a great job taking advantage of the city's cosmopolitan/multicultural make-up — lots of soccer fans here who were rabid for national teams but didn't have a local club.

That the CFL is a minor league and MLS is the bigs (in North America anyway) probably doesn't help the 'Boatmen either. No one I know cares about the Argos, but even people who don't follow sports are usually interested in hearing about TFC.
None of what you say really surprises. I wonder if the weak standing of the Argos hurts Toronto's limited hopes of getting an NFL team. I mean, if I'm the NFL I would look at Toronto and see soccer as more popular than football and ask whether an NFL team could generate the necessary support.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Oct 2017, 12:35pm
Inder wrote:
23 Oct 2017, 12:13pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Oct 2017, 12:08pm

Do you know if soccer is bigger than the Argos in Toronto? I don't really follow the CFL much—I watch the Riders come playoff time, but that's about it—but I don't get the impression that Toronto gives a fuck about the Argos anymore.
Definitely. TFC has done a great job taking advantage of the city's cosmopolitan/multicultural make-up — lots of soccer fans here who were rabid for national teams but didn't have a local club.

That the CFL is a minor league and MLS is the bigs (in North America anyway) probably doesn't help the 'Boatmen either. No one I know cares about the Argos, but even people who don't follow sports are usually interested in hearing about TFC.
None of what you say really surprises. I wonder if the weak standing of the Argos hurts Toronto's limited hopes of getting an NFL team. I mean, if I'm the NFL I would look at Toronto and see soccer as more popular than football and ask whether an NFL team could generate the necessary support.
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revbob wrote:
25 Oct 2017, 11:27pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Oct 2017, 12:35pm
Inder wrote:
23 Oct 2017, 12:13pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Oct 2017, 12:08pm

Do you know if soccer is bigger than the Argos in Toronto? I don't really follow the CFL much—I watch the Riders come playoff time, but that's about it—but I don't get the impression that Toronto gives a fuck about the Argos anymore.
Definitely. TFC has done a great job taking advantage of the city's cosmopolitan/multicultural make-up — lots of soccer fans here who were rabid for national teams but didn't have a local club.

That the CFL is a minor league and MLS is the bigs (in North America anyway) probably doesn't help the 'Boatmen either. No one I know cares about the Argos, but even people who don't follow sports are usually interested in hearing about TFC.
None of what you say really surprises. I wonder if the weak standing of the Argos hurts Toronto's limited hopes of getting an NFL team. I mean, if I'm the NFL I would look at Toronto and see soccer as more popular than football and ask whether an NFL team could generate the necessary support.
4 downs could only be an improvement.
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Fats Domino (R.I.P.) Top 5.
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5. The Fat Man
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Marky Dread wrote:
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Fats Domino (R.I.P.) Top 5.
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Kory wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 12:45pm
Marky Dread wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 8:33am
Fats Domino (R.I.P.) Top 5.
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That is one saturated photo.
No one else has offered up a top 5. IMCT hates rock 'n' roll!
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Marky Dread wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 12:47pm
Kory wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 12:45pm
Marky Dread wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 8:33am
Fats Domino (R.I.P.) Top 5.
Image
That is one saturated photo.
No one else has offered up a top 5. IMCT hates rock 'n' roll!
Fats is one of my cultural deficits. I don't have enough knowledge to muck in, I'm afraid.
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