Kiss vs the Dolls

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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

Post by Wolter » 04 Oct 2016, 12:58am

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Marky Dread wrote:
Wolter wrote:Then we're in agreement: Heston is goddamned insane.
Unanimous dceision.
But the PC version isn't identical! Slightly different groove to it, an added string section and the phrasing of the vocals is different in places.

When it came out in 1983 I hadn't heard the original, nor was I likely to for another few years, so it served its purpose. I remember lots of my friends being big fans of the song and video at the time, as it was a huge hit in the UK, actually reaching two places higher than the original.
1. This explains so much.

2. What is with your perverse insistence that the fact that something charted means it has intrinsic worth?

EDIT: 3. OF COURSE it's not identical. It's inferior.
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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

Post by Marky Dread » 04 Oct 2016, 6:17am

Heston wrote:
Marky Dread wrote:
Wolter wrote:Then we're in agreement: Heston is goddamned insane.
Unanimous dceision.
But the PC version isn't identical! Slightly different groove to it, an added string section and the phrasing of the vocals is different in places.

When it came out in 1983 I hadn't heard the original, nor was I likely to for another few years, so it served its purpose. I remember lots of my friends being big fans of the song and video at the time, as it was a huge hit in the UK, actually reaching two places higher than the original.
The chart placing doesn't mean anything really though. I think it's great if the Phil version got the song some wider attention with a younger generation. I think I heard the original when I was 5 or 6 years old. Motown/Stax/Stateside singles were huge with Mod/Skinheads of the late 60's so they were some of the earliest records I heard. I think you have an attachment over the Phil version because it's the first version you heard and this happens with certain songs. In most cases I always prefer the original but there are a few that match or surpass the original. I think the Pistols No Fun is every bit as good as The Stooges version and The Clash versions of Police and Thieves, Armagideon Time and I Fought the Law are better than their original counterparts.
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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

Post by matedog » 04 Oct 2016, 11:08am

Wolter wrote:
muppet hi fi wrote:My fave version of "You Can't Hurry Love", tied with the Supremes actually. I know nothing about the dude (D.L. Byron) except this song from the quite excellent 'Times Square' soundtrack (kinda lame film though) and that he sounds like a cross between Elvis Costello and Garland Jeffreys. Stripped down and souped up as a power-pop rave up.
That's not bad. It actually reminds me a bit of the Stray Cats version (although I guess every stripped down version is going to sound vaguely similar).
EDIT: it looks like his debut album from 1980 is considered a classic by power-pop types.
That vocal is awful compared to PC's.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

Post by Heston » 04 Oct 2016, 11:17am

matedog wrote:That vocal is awful compared to PC's.
Agreed. I don't actually like Phil Collins' voice very much on most of his songs, but he is a very good singer. It's a weird one because I love Turn It On Again and Follow You Follow Me by Genesis and think he sounds great on them, but his voice on most of his solo stuff leaves me cold.
So what does Marconi playing the mamba mean? "Marconi" is referring to the radio itself. It plays a deadly snake. The snake - the mamba - is slithering from the speakers. Ready to kill greedy corporations. Ready to free the world of all that is evil, and to leave behind only the youthful idealism encompassed by the tenets of rock and roll.

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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

Post by Silent Majority » 04 Oct 2016, 2:12pm

He belts I Can't Dance, a great Daltrey-esque vocal on that one.
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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

Post by Marky Dread » 04 Oct 2016, 3:23pm

Silent Majority wrote:He belts I Can't Dance, a great Daltrey-esque vocal on that one.
Whoa there easy lover! Phil Collins may be able to just about belt his trousers but reaching Daltrey's range never. I thought we had a groovy kind of love but now I fear it's separate lives fo us. I think you and Heston need to go and hold hands and spend another day in paradise as I don't care any more. I can't take one more night of this nonsense I simply cannot believe this is true, I guess that's just the way it is!
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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

Post by Dr. Medulla » 04 Oct 2016, 4:34pm

If you think I'm pressing play on that, you must think I'm a Geordie in a tin.
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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

Post by Heston » 04 Oct 2016, 7:04pm

I Can't Dance is everything I hate about Phil Collins, the horrible baldy twat.
So what does Marconi playing the mamba mean? "Marconi" is referring to the radio itself. It plays a deadly snake. The snake - the mamba - is slithering from the speakers. Ready to kill greedy corporations. Ready to free the world of all that is evil, and to leave behind only the youthful idealism encompassed by the tenets of rock and roll.

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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

Post by JennyB » 04 Oct 2016, 11:02pm

Everyone except Doc and Heston (!!!) is terrible.
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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

Post by Wolter » 04 Oct 2016, 11:21pm

JennyB wrote:Everyone except Doc and Heston (!!!) is terrible.
HEY! I'm not in on this garbage either.

Though I suppose I'm terrible for other reasons...
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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

Post by muppet hi fi » 05 Oct 2016, 12:29am

JennyB wrote:Everyone except Doc and Heston (!!!) is terrible.
Hey now, those cats aren't even Heebs! (unlike, ya know, KISS :twitch:).

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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

Post by JennyB » 05 Oct 2016, 10:04am

Wolter wrote:
JennyB wrote:Everyone except Doc and Heston (!!!) is terrible.
HEY! I'm not in on this garbage either.

Though I suppose I'm terrible for other reasons...
:shifty:
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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

Post by JennyB » 05 Oct 2016, 10:04am

muppet hi fi wrote:
JennyB wrote:Everyone except Doc and Heston (!!!) is terrible.
Hey now, those cats aren't even Heebs! (unlike, ya know, KISS :twitch:).
Ha!
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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

Post by Dr. Medulla » 05 Oct 2016, 10:07am

JennyB wrote:Everyone except Doc and Heston (!!!) is terrible.
Mind you, Heston is terrible as a rule.
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