Kiss vs the Dolls

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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

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The Supremes version just came up on Pandora, coincidentally.

It's really far, far better than Phil Collins. Like light years.
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Wolter wrote:The Supremes version just came up on Pandora, coincidentally.

It's really far, far better than Phil Collins. Like light years.
That the counter argument has multiple supporters is an extremely sad state of affairs.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:The Supremes version just came up on Pandora, coincidentally.

It's really far, far better than Phil Collins. Like light years.
That the counter argument has multiple supporters is an extremely sad state of affairs.
You can't even admire that apart from the fact it's a Phil Collins track that he has made a decent cover? It's not and never will be The Supremes but good pop it is.
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Re: Kiss vs the Dolls

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Marky Dread wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:The Supremes version just came up on Pandora, coincidentally.

It's really far, far better than Phil Collins. Like light years.
That the counter argument has multiple supporters is an extremely sad state of affairs.
You can't even admire that apart from the fact it's a Phil Collins track that he has made a decent cover? It's not and never will be The Supremes but good pop it is.
Bland, but with good drumming is my charitable assessment.
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Wolter wrote:
Marky Dread wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:The Supremes version just came up on Pandora, coincidentally.

It's really far, far better than Phil Collins. Like light years.
That the counter argument has multiple supporters is an extremely sad state of affairs.
You can't even admire that apart from the fact it's a Phil Collins track that he has made a decent cover? It's not and never will be The Supremes but good pop it is.
Bland, but with good drumming is my charitable assessment.
Remove the Phil vocal and I think it's good.
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Marky Dread wrote:
Wolter wrote:
Marky Dread wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:The Supremes version just came up on Pandora, coincidentally.

It's really far, far better than Phil Collins. Like light years.
That the counter argument has multiple supporters is an extremely sad state of affairs.
You can't even admire that apart from the fact it's a Phil Collins track that he has made a decent cover? It's not and never will be The Supremes but good pop it is.
Bland, but with good drumming is my charitable assessment.
Remove the Phil vocal and I think it's good.
Anyway Black Diamond - The Replacements. ;)
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Marky Dread wrote:
Wolter wrote:
Marky Dread wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:The Supremes version just came up on Pandora, coincidentally.

It's really far, far better than Phil Collins. Like light years.
That the counter argument has multiple supporters is an extremely sad state of affairs.
You can't even admire that apart from the fact it's a Phil Collins track that he has made a decent cover? It's not and never will be The Supremes but good pop it is.
Bland, but with good drumming is my charitable assessment.
Remove the Phil vocal and I think it's good.
Possibly.

Heck, I prefer the Stray Cats version, and that's not exactly anything special.
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Marky Dread wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:The Supremes version just came up on Pandora, coincidentally.

It's really far, far better than Phil Collins. Like light years.
That the counter argument has multiple supporters is an extremely sad state of affairs.
You can't even admire that apart from the fact it's a Phil Collins track that he has made a decent cover? It's not and never will be The Supremes but good pop it is.
Any virtue to the cover rests on it being a fantastic song, but PC adds zilcho to it.
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My fave version of "You Can't Hurry Love", tied with the Supremes actually. I know nothing about the dude (D.L. Byron) except this song from the quite excellent 'Times Square' soundtrack (kinda lame film though) and that he sounds like a cross between Elvis Costello and Garland Jeffreys. Stripped down and souped up as a power-pop rave up.
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muppet hi fi wrote:My fave version of "You Can't Hurry Love", tied with the Supremes actually. I know nothing about the dude (D.L. Byron) except this song from the quite excellent 'Times Square' soundtrack (kinda lame film though) and that he sounds like a cross between Elvis Costello and Garland Jeffreys. Stripped down and souped up as a power-pop rave up.
That's not bad. It actually reminds me a bit of the Stray Cats version (although I guess every stripped down version is going to sound vaguely similar).
EDIT: it looks like his debut album from 1980 is considered a classic by power-pop types.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
Marky Dread wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:The Supremes version just came up on Pandora, coincidentally.

It's really far, far better than Phil Collins. Like light years.
That the counter argument has multiple supporters is an extremely sad state of affairs.
You can't even admire that apart from the fact it's a Phil Collins track that he has made a decent cover? It's not and never will be The Supremes but good pop it is.
Any virtue to the cover rests on it being a fantastic song, but PC adds zilcho to it.
That's surely the point of it being a straight cover though. You are not going to top the original in this case and a song like that really doesn't need fucking around with in my opinion. Cover versions are either generic or like say The Flying Lizards great cover of Money (That's What I Want) which again doesn't better the original but is also fantastic. I wouldn't turn off the radio if the Phil version was playing but I would yearn for The Supremes whereas if The Flying Lizards version of Money (That's What I Want) was playing I would be just as contented. Good cover or bad cover or just a plain cover as in the PC version. So I guess I agree with you that it's a tad pointless and only for the hit market. It's not a bad version just a generic version with a punchier drum sound.
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Marky Dread wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Marky Dread wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:The Supremes version just came up on Pandora, coincidentally.

It's really far, far better than Phil Collins. Like light years.
That the counter argument has multiple supporters is an extremely sad state of affairs.
You can't even admire that apart from the fact it's a Phil Collins track that he has made a decent cover? It's not and never will be The Supremes but good pop it is.
Any virtue to the cover rests on it being a fantastic song, but PC adds zilcho to it.
That's surely the point of it being a straight cover though. You are not going to top the original in this case and a song like that really doesn't need fucking around with in my opinion. Cover versions are either generic or like say The Flying Lizards great cover of Money (That's What I Want) which again doesn't better the original but is also fantastic. I wouldn't turn off the radio if the Phil version was playing but I would yearn for The Supremes whereas if The Flying Lizards version of Money (That's What I Want) was playing I would be just as contented. Good cover or bad cover or just a plain cover as in the PC version. So I guess I agree with you that it's a tad pointless and only for the hit market. It's not a bad version just a generic version with a punchier drum sound.
Right, I don't see the point of releasing a cover that seeks to just replicate the original. That's what the original exist for. Do something more personal, something more obviously interpretive or keep it to yourself.
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Then we're in agreement: Heston is goddamned insane.
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Wolter wrote:Then we're in agreement: Heston is goddamned insane.
Unanimous dceision.
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Marky Dread wrote:
Wolter wrote:Then we're in agreement: Heston is goddamned insane.
Unanimous dceision.
But the PC version isn't identical! Slightly different groove to it, an added string section and the phrasing of the vocals is different in places.

When it came out in 1983 I hadn't heard the original, nor was I likely to for another few years, so it served its purpose. I remember lots of my friends being big fans of the song and video at the time, as it was a huge hit in the UK, actually reaching two places higher than the original.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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