Kiss vs the Dolls

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A vote for Black Diamond is a vote for The Replacements. A vote for the Dolls is a vote for good.

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TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:A vote for Black Diamond is a vote for The Replacements. A vote for the Dolls is a vote for good.
This is as much concentrated correctness as one post could be.
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I can feel it slipping away. Somebody help me.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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muppet hi fi wrote:So Jerry Nolan took a few drum lessons from Gene Kruppa in NYC (according to Jerry, so who knows); then Jerry, who knew Peter Criss, refered Criss to Kruppa for drum lessons.
Kruppa supposedly told Jerry "That kid has no talent whatsoever and should forget about drumming".
"… but he seems perfect to sing horrible maudlin ballads that make people envy the deaf."
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What did Gene Krupa know about rock and roll?

The fact Peter Criss went on to sell 100 million records says not much.
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Heston wrote:What did Gene Krupa know about rock and roll?

The fact Peter Criss went on to sell 100 million records says not much.
According to Wikipedia, "It has been claimed that [Robbie] Williams has sold more albums in the UK than any other British solo artist in history and has won more BRIT Awards than any other artist to date. His album sales stands at over 57 million worldwide. Williams was entered in The Guinness Book of World Records when, after he announced his World Tour for 2006, 1.6 million tickets were sold in one single day."

So, are you coming out to proclaim Robbie Williams' genius?
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
Heston wrote:What did Gene Krupa know about rock and roll?

The fact Peter Criss went on to sell 100 million records says not much.
According to Wikipedia, "It has been claimed that [Robbie] Williams has sold more albums in the UK than any other British solo artist in history and has won more BRIT Awards than any other artist to date. His album sales stands at over 57 million worldwide. Williams was entered in The Guinness Book of World Records when, after he announced his World Tour for 2006, 1.6 million tickets were sold in one single day."

So, are you coming out to proclaim Robbie Williams' genius?
No, but if I'd tipped him not to make it as a singer I'd have still been very wrong.
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Heston wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Heston wrote:What did Gene Krupa know about rock and roll?

The fact Peter Criss went on to sell 100 million records says not much.
According to Wikipedia, "It has been claimed that [Robbie] Williams has sold more albums in the UK than any other British solo artist in history and has won more BRIT Awards than any other artist to date. His album sales stands at over 57 million worldwide. Williams was entered in The Guinness Book of World Records when, after he announced his World Tour for 2006, 1.6 million tickets were sold in one single day."

So, are you coming out to proclaim Robbie Williams' genius?
No, but if I'd tipped him not to make it as a singer I'd have still been very wrong.
Given that Criss didn't exactly light the world on fire when he left Kiss, nor did they collapse entirely, I don't think he was that significant to their success. Remember: He was the drummer.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
Heston wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Heston wrote:What did Gene Krupa know about rock and roll?

The fact Peter Criss went on to sell 100 million records says not much.
According to Wikipedia, "It has been claimed that [Robbie] Williams has sold more albums in the UK than any other British solo artist in history and has won more BRIT Awards than any other artist to date. His album sales stands at over 57 million worldwide. Williams was entered in The Guinness Book of World Records when, after he announced his World Tour for 2006, 1.6 million tickets were sold in one single day."

So, are you coming out to proclaim Robbie Williams' genius?
No, but if I'd tipped him not to make it as a singer I'd have still been very wrong.
Given that Criss didn't exactly light the world on fire when he left Kiss, nor did they collapse entirely, I don't think he was that significant to their success. Remember: He was the drummer.
Don't forget "Beth" was their breakthrough hit, which in turn sent Destroyer flying up the charts. And I think you'll find they did collapse entirely after he left.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Would his leaving and their subsequent collapse count as a music achievement by a drummer?

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dave202 wrote:Would his leaving and their subsequent collapse count as a music achievement by a drummer?
More of an achievement than rattling about on pots and pans and drooling, which is the sum total with most drummers.
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Heston wrote:Don't forget "Beth" was their breakthrough hit
You're ignoring that it's absolutely hideous.
And I think you'll find they did collapse entirely after he left.
And yet they just won't die.* And for that you bear considerable responsibility, you and your Animalize t-shirt.

* Eric Carr excepted.
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Heston wrote:
dave202 wrote:Would his leaving and their subsequent collapse count as a music achievement by a drummer?
More of an achievement than rattling about on pots and pans and drooling, which is the sum total with most drummers.
I suspect a drummer stole Hes' lady back in the day. That's the only way to explain his deep inferiority complex.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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