Biggest musical twat, VOTE NOW!

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Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who is the biggest twat of them all?

Phil Collins
5
10%
Bono
20
41%
Sting
4
8%
Clapton
14
29%
All of the Eagles
5
10%
Other
1
2%
 
Total votes: 49

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Re: Biggest musical twat, VOTE NOW!

Post by JennyB » 26 Mar 2014, 10:36pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
JennyB wrote:
Rat Patrol wrote:http://ultimateclassicrock.com/styx-for ... interview/

Oh God, the twat is collapsing into a singularity and pulling everything in with it.
They're not actually touring. They're just playing a 120 night residency in the 'Jortsville.

I swear to fucking god, Echo and the Bunnymen is touring and on the off chance they come here (which they won't), they would draw about 1/100th the crowd.
Maybe if they added a couple guys from Huey Lewis & the News and someone from .38 Special.

edit: .38 Special still exists and tours and everything. That really shouldn't surprise me, given that Loverboy still gets paid to perform, but the idea that there are enough people that would want to see .38 Special that they keep at it, that's … curious.
Huey Lewis is the Ramones compared to the rest of those guys.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 27 Mar 2014, 6:12am

JennyB wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
JennyB wrote:
Rat Patrol wrote:http://ultimateclassicrock.com/styx-for ... interview/

Oh God, the twat is collapsing into a singularity and pulling everything in with it.
They're not actually touring. They're just playing a 120 night residency in the 'Jortsville.

I swear to fucking god, Echo and the Bunnymen is touring and on the off chance they come here (which they won't), they would draw about 1/100th the crowd.
Maybe if they added a couple guys from Huey Lewis & the News and someone from .38 Special.

edit: .38 Special still exists and tours and everything. That really shouldn't surprise me, given that Loverboy still gets paid to perform, but the idea that there are enough people that would want to see .38 Special that they keep at it, that's … curious.
Huey Lewis is the Ramones compared to the rest of those guys.
His version of "Beat On the Brat" killed at Omaha's Wackasocka Lucky Wampum Casino in '09.
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Post by JennyB » 27 Mar 2014, 9:54pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
JennyB wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
JennyB wrote:
Rat Patrol wrote:http://ultimateclassicrock.com/styx-for ... interview/

Oh God, the twat is collapsing into a singularity and pulling everything in with it.
They're not actually touring. They're just playing a 120 night residency in the 'Jortsville.

I swear to fucking god, Echo and the Bunnymen is touring and on the off chance they come here (which they won't), they would draw about 1/100th the crowd.
Maybe if they added a couple guys from Huey Lewis & the News and someone from .38 Special.

edit: .38 Special still exists and tours and everything. That really shouldn't surprise me, given that Loverboy still gets paid to perform, but the idea that there are enough people that would want to see .38 Special that they keep at it, that's … curious.
Huey Lewis is the Ramones compared to the rest of those guys.
His version of "Beat On the Brat" killed at Omaha's Wackasocka Lucky Wampum Casino in '09.
:mrgreen:
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 13 Jan 2018, 6:13pm

In case you're wavering on Clapton, he's still a dick: https://thegrapevine.theroot.com/eric-c ... 1822054554
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Post by 101Walterton » 14 Jan 2018, 3:08pm

As much as it pains me to say it because I love his music but even by his own admissions Kevin Rowland probably has to take this award.
I doubt anyone has crapped on his mates as much he has has in the name of art.
Still love him though.

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Post by Low Down Low » 14 Jan 2018, 3:51pm

101Walterton wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 3:08pm
As much as it pains me to say it because I love his music but even by his own admissions Kevin Rowland probably has to take this award.
I doubt anyone has crapped on his mates as much he has has in the name of art.
Still love him though.
Is he really that bad? Apart from a few issues early on in Dexys, which I think he regretted and compensated for, I wasn’t aware of too much else in his debit book. Am I missing something?

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Post by WestwayKid » 14 Jan 2018, 3:54pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
13 Jan 2018, 6:13pm
In case you're wavering on Clapton, he's still a dick: https://thegrapevine.theroot.com/eric-c ... 1822054554
He’s still boring, too...

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Post by 101Walterton » 14 Jan 2018, 4:47pm

Low Down Low wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 3:51pm
101Walterton wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 3:08pm
As much as it pains me to say it because I love his music but even by his own admissions Kevin Rowland probably has to take this award.
I doubt anyone has crapped on his mates as much he has has in the name of art.
Still love him though.
Is he really that bad? Apart from a few issues early on in Dexys, which I think he regretted and compensated for, I wasn’t aware of too much else in his debit book. Am I missing something?
He has left a trail of them in his wake although you are correct he regrets them all and appears to be genuinely remorseful so that is a redeeming feature.

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Post by Low Down Low » 14 Jan 2018, 5:47pm

101Walterton wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 4:47pm
Low Down Low wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 3:51pm
101Walterton wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 3:08pm
As much as it pains me to say it because I love his music but even by his own admissions Kevin Rowland probably has to take this award.
I doubt anyone has crapped on his mates as much he has has in the name of art.
Still love him though.
Is he really that bad? Apart from a few issues early on in Dexys, which I think he regretted and compensated for, I wasn’t aware of too much else in his debit book. Am I missing something?
He has left a trail of them in his wake although you are correct he regrets them all and appears to be genuinely remorseful so that is a redeeming feature.
I may be off base but I always believed himself and Joe had quite a bit in common, temperamentally I mean. They both left quite a few people in the lurch in their day, but nobody ever seemed to hold a grudge for long. Passion and oodles of charisma can carry you quite far.

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Post by 101Walterton » 14 Jan 2018, 5:57pm

Low Down Low wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 5:47pm
101Walterton wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 4:47pm
Low Down Low wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 3:51pm
101Walterton wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 3:08pm
As much as it pains me to say it because I love his music but even by his own admissions Kevin Rowland probably has to take this award.
I doubt anyone has crapped on his mates as much he has has in the name of art.
Still love him though.
Is he really that bad? Apart from a few issues early on in Dexys, which I think he regretted and compensated for, I wasn’t aware of too much else in his debit book. Am I missing something?
He has left a trail of them in his wake although you are correct he regrets them all and appears to be genuinely remorseful so that is a redeeming feature.
I may be off base but I always believed himself and Joe had quite a bit in common, temperamentally I mean. They both left quite a few people in the lurch in their day, but nobody ever seemed to hold a grudge for long. Passion and oodles of charisma can carry you quite far.
I think Kevin Archer still holds a grudge for having Dexys 2 including Come On Eileen ‘stolen’ from him 😊

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Post by Low Down Low » 14 Jan 2018, 6:12pm

101Walterton wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 5:57pm
Low Down Low wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 5:47pm
101Walterton wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 4:47pm
Low Down Low wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 3:51pm
101Walterton wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 3:08pm
As much as it pains me to say it because I love his music but even by his own admissions Kevin Rowland probably has to take this award.
I doubt anyone has crapped on his mates as much he has has in the name of art.
Still love him though.
Is he really that bad? Apart from a few issues early on in Dexys, which I think he regretted and compensated for, I wasn’t aware of too much else in his debit book. Am I missing something?
He has left a trail of them in his wake although you are correct he regrets them all and appears to be genuinely remorseful so that is a redeeming feature.
I may be off base but I always believed himself and Joe had quite a bit in common, temperamentally I mean. They both left quite a few people in the lurch in their day, but nobody ever seemed to hold a grudge for long. Passion and oodles of charisma can carry you quite far.
I think Kevin Archer still holds a grudge for having Dexys 2 including Come On Eileen ‘stolen’ from him 😊
Fair point. I did read somewhere that Rowland fully acknowledged the lift and Archer was cut in for a writing credit so some reparation was made. Apparently though, that credit was removed subsequently, however the process works, so hard to say exactly what really transpired there.

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Post by 101Walterton » 14 Jan 2018, 6:50pm

Low Down Low wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 6:12pm
101Walterton wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 5:57pm
Low Down Low wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 5:47pm
101Walterton wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 4:47pm
Low Down Low wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 3:51pm


Is he really that bad? Apart from a few issues early on in Dexys, which I think he regretted and compensated for, I wasn’t aware of too much else in his debit book. Am I missing something?
He has left a trail of them in his wake although you are correct he regrets them all and appears to be genuinely remorseful so that is a redeeming feature.
I may be off base but I always believed himself and Joe had quite a bit in common, temperamentally I mean. They both left quite a few people in the lurch in their day, but nobody ever seemed to hold a grudge for long. Passion and oodles of charisma can carry you quite far.
I think Kevin Archer still holds a grudge for having Dexys 2 including Come On Eileen ‘stolen’ from him 😊
Fair point. I did read somewhere that Rowland fully acknowledged the lift and Archer was cut in for a writing credit so some reparation was made. Apparently though, that credit was removed subsequently, however the process works, so hard to say exactly what really transpired there.
It wasn't just the song it was the concept. Archer was demoing the strings based sound with Helen Bevington (O'Hara). He played the demo to Rowland who asked if he could keep it. Rowland decides to get his brass section to learn strings (unsuccessfullly) and then hired Helen Bevington to Dexys ala Too Rye Aye.
None of this is denied by Rowland who claims he did not 'intentionally' steal the fiddle riffs for C.O.E. but admits he may have subliminally done it after listening to Blue Ox Babes demos.
The only person in denial is Jim Paterson who has a co writing credit for C.O.E. who claims he and Rowland wrote it and he had not heard the demos. Doesn't mean of course Rowland could have added those parts without Paterson's knowledge of where they came from.

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Post by Low Down Low » 14 Jan 2018, 8:08pm

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It wasn't just the song it was the concept. Archer was demoing the strings based sound with Helen Bevington (O'Hara). He played the demo to Rowland who asked if he could keep it. Rowland decides to get his brass section to learn strings (unsuccessfullly) and then hired Helen Bevington to Dexys ala Too Rye Aye.
None of this is denied by Rowland who claims he did not 'intentionally' steal the fiddle riffs for C.O.E. but admits he may have subliminally done it after listening to Blue Ox Babes demos.
The only person in denial is Jim Paterson who has a co writing credit for C.O.E. who claims he and Rowland wrote it and he had not heard the demos. Doesn't mean of course Rowland could have added those parts without Paterson's knowledge of where they came from.
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Rowland was just more ruthless and focused and driven than Archer was, which I guess O’Hara realized and quickly jumped ship. Allowing Rowland to keep the demo was a fairly naive thing to do really, like he still wanted and needed Kevin’s approval. Ended up getting a lot more than he bargained for!

But at least Archer ended up making more money from it than if Rowland had never made the steal. I would have thought that would have taken some of the sting out of it at least.

I also wonder about the accusation that Rowland thieved the entire too rye ay sound. If you listen to the early album demos, some from early 81, they’re not far off the finished product so maybe Dexys were already going down that road? Though Kevin always insists Too rye ay is his least favorite of their albums and perhaps that murky history has something to do with it.

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Post by 101Walterton » 14 Jan 2018, 9:22pm

Low Down Low wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 8:08pm
It wasn't just the song it was the concept. Archer was demoing the strings based sound with Helen Bevington (O'Hara). He played the demo to Rowland who asked if he could keep it. Rowland decides to get his brass section to learn strings (unsuccessfullly) and then hired Helen Bevington to Dexys ala Too Rye Aye.
None of this is denied by Rowland who claims he did not 'intentionally' steal the fiddle riffs for C.O.E. but admits he may have subliminally done it after listening to Blue Ox Babes demos.
The only person in denial is Jim Paterson who has a co writing credit for C.O.E. who claims he and Rowland wrote it and he had not heard the demos. Doesn't mean of course Rowland could have added those parts without Paterson's knowledge of where they came from.
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Rowland was just more ruthless and focused and driven than Archer was, which I guess O’Hara realized and quickly jumped ship. Allowing Rowland to keep the demo was a fairly naive thing to do really, like he still wanted and needed Kevin’s approval. Ended up getting a lot more than he bargained for!

But at least Archer ended up making more money from it than if Rowland had never made the steal. I would have thought that would have taken some of the sting out of it at least.

I also wonder about the accusation that Rowland thieved the entire too rye ay sound. If you listen to the early album demos, some from early 81, they’re not far off the finished product so maybe Dexys were already going down that road? Though Kevin always insists Too rye ay is his least favorite of their albums and perhaps that murky history has something to do with it.
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Fair points.
By his own admission Rowland was driven and focussed and to that end ruthless. He wouldn't let anything get in the way which unfortunately meant his band mates along the way too. He makes no secret that he made several errors of judgement and regrets it now.

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