The Protopunk Thread

[eumaas]

Glam was a type of music, Punk seems more of an attitude to me.

I disagree. In comparison to NY punk, UK punk is certainly a genre. I would class NY punk as a period and UK punk as a genre. Indeed, punk as a genre in American music (as in after the NY punk period) owes more to British than American forebears save for the Ramones, who of course created much of the template within which UK punk operated.

[Wolter]

Protopunk is too broad a term to be useful.

[Marky Dread]

You are looking into it far too deeply it was a stupid throwaway comment meant to be taken lightly it needs no analyzing it was meaningless. Flex included me in his statement but if he went back through the thread he's referring to he would see I agred that GEER had glam connections, infact I tended to agree with your assessment of it.

In fact, you did the exact opposite:

I loved Glam some really great records. GEER is said to have a Glam sound but it doesn't sound like T.Rex or Mud.

Flex that qoute was posted a few minutes ago I referring to the original GEER/glam thread. And GEER does not have a T.Rex/Mud sound. If you check the original thread you will clearly see I said GEER or rather Mick was inspired by Ronson and the album owes a debt to Mott the Hoople.

[eumaas]

So what us Limeys are saying is that yes, different strands of Glam influenced GEER, but NOT all of it.

I doubt many yanks would claim that all glam was influential on punk, so I'm not sure there's much substance to that remark.

[ElvisIsKing1977]

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[Chuck Mangione]

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[Heston]

So what us Limeys are saying is that yes, different strands of Glam influenced GEER, but NOT all of it.

I doubt many yanks would claim that all glam was influential on punk, so I'm not sure there's much substance to that remark.

But that's what's being inferred here with all this talk of Mud and Gary Glitter. Shit like that's a million miles away from punk for me.

[Marky Dread]

Glam was a type of music, Punk seems more of an attitude to me.

I disagree. In comparison to NY punk, UK punk is certainly a genre. I would class NY punk as a period and UK punk as a genre. Indeed, punk as a genre in American music (as in after the NY punk period) owes more to British than American forebears save for the Ramones, who of course created much of the template within which UK punk operated.

Joey Ramone loved bubblegum and the British invasion bands like the searchers in '76 when he came to England he bought all the Sweet singles he could find. The RAMONES were not the template for UK punk really only a handful of bands to be fair. X-ray Spex, Wire, The Skids, The Members, The Damned, Slaughter and the Dogs, Generation X, 999 sounded nothing like The RAMONES it's just a lazy term.

[Chuck Mangione]

So what us Limeys are saying is that yes, different strands of Glam influenced GEER, but NOT all of it.

I doubt many yanks would claim that all glam was influential on punk, so I'm not sure there's much substance to that remark.

But why isn't Gary Glitter one of the "different strands of Glam" that influenced Punk?

[Purple Hayes]

Some, I'm sure, but there was a definite feeling of revolution, hair and clothes fashion changed very quickly in London in 1977, flared trousers and long hair virtually dissapeared overnight amongst the young...Glam and everything associated with it died a quick death.

I think it's telling that this focuses so much on the fashion.

Glam was all about fashion, not a lot else to it if the truth be told. Punk was also fashion driven to an extent initially but for a couple of years anything went in terms of clothes, the proto-type Sid look didn't become uniform until about '80. Musically there were similarities but lyrically there were none....I think 101 touched on it before when he thought Punk was more Mod-like with it's speed driven beat than any Glam song...I tend to agree

[Chuck Mangione]

Glam was a type of music, Punk seems more of an attitude to me.

I disagree. In comparison to NY punk, UK punk is certainly a genre. I would class NY punk as a period and UK punk as a genre. Indeed, punk as a genre in American music (as in after the NY punk period) owes more to British than American forebears save for the Ramones, who of course created much of the template within which UK punk operated.

Joey Ramone loved bubblegum and the British invasion bands like the searchers in '76 when he came to England he bought all the Sweet singles he could find. The RAMONES were not the template for UK punk really only a handful of bands to be fair. X-ray Spex, Wire, The Skids, The Members, The Damned, Slaughter and the Dogs, Generation X, 999 sounded nothing like The RAMONES it's just a lazy term.

So then what DID influence those UK bands that sounded nothing like the Ramones? (I'm serious. What did?) Was it Glam? I think I hear a little bit of Glam in Generation X, The Damned, and Slaugher and The Dogs.

[eumaas]

Glam was a type of music, Punk seems more of an attitude to me.

I disagree. In comparison to NY punk, UK punk is certainly a genre. I would class NY punk as a period and UK punk as a genre. Indeed, punk as a genre in American music (as in after the NY punk period) owes more to British than American forebears save for the Ramones, who of course created much of the template within which UK punk operated.

Joey Ramone loved bubblegum and the British invasion bands like the searchers in '76 when he came to England he bought all the Sweet singles he could find. The RAMONES were not the template for UK punk really only a handful of bands to be fair. X-ray Spex, Wire, The Skids, The Members, The Damned, Slaughter and the Dogs, Generation X, 999 sounded nothing like The RAMONES it's just a lazy term.

Per Dr. Medulla, Wire weren't a punk band and shouldn't be in this discussion. The Ramones certainly created much (though not all) of the basis of punk as a genre. I don't really understand how you could disagree. Just the guitar influence alone was massive.

[Heston]

So what us Limeys are saying is that yes, different strands of Glam influenced GEER, but NOT all of it.

I doubt many yanks would claim that all glam was influential on punk, so I'm not sure there's much substance to that remark.

But why isn't Gary Glitter one of the "different strands of Glam" that influenced Punk?

I just can't really hear any strains of his music in punk, I'm afraid. And certainly not GEER.

[eumaas]

Some, I'm sure, but there was a definite feeling of revolution, hair and clothes fashion changed very quickly in London in 1977, flared trousers and long hair virtually dissapeared overnight amongst the young...Glam and everything associated with it died a quick death.

I think it's telling that this focuses so much on the fashion.

Glam was all about fashion, not a lot else to it if the truth be told. Punk was also fashion driven to an extent initially but for a couple of years anything went in terms of clothes, the proto-type Sid look didn't become uniform until about '80. Musically there were similarities but lyrically there were none....I think 101 touched on it before when he thought Punk was more Mod-like with it's speed driven beat than any Glam song...I tend to agree

Not a criticism. Just noting that fashion is a (perhaps the) major component to British youth cults and musical movements.

[eumaas]

So what us Limeys are saying is that yes, different strands of Glam influenced GEER, but NOT all of it.

I doubt many yanks would claim that all glam was influential on punk, so I'm not sure there's much substance to that remark.

But why isn't Gary Glitter one of the "different strands of Glam" that influenced Punk?

I've never actually listened to more than one Gary Glitter song, so I have no idea if he sounds like punk at all.