Oh sure, disrespect the thread that is trying to get people to discuss about great protopunk artists but not the KISS vs. Iron Maiden threads...eumaas wrote:Is this the thread where we list random bands?
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Don't disrespect your elders.ImSoBoredWithTheUSA wrote:Oh sure, disrespect the thread that is trying to get people to discuss about great protopunk artists but not the KISS vs. Iron Maiden threads...eumaas wrote:Is this the thread where we list random bands?
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Gary Glitter and The Glitter Band, Mud, T-Rex, etc. and several other Glam acts were looked up to a lot from numerous early English punk bands (Slaughter and The Dogs, The Clash, etc.) so they can basically be called protopunk since they helped influence punk bands that were to come and also helped create the raw rock and roll sound of it [punk]Heston wrote:Mud and Gary Glitter are Protopunk?
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And what the hell? What's with all the bashing? I thought most of you were gonna like the idea of this thread. And at least I don't listen to or talk about KISS or Iron Maiden...
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Limeys are physically incapable of seeing a connection between Glam and Punk.
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Who's the Limey?Flex wrote:Limeys are physically incapable of seeing a connection between Glam and Punk.
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Wasn't any bashing intended, I just feel labelling Mud and Gary Glitter as anything other than comedy Glam Rock acts is pretty bizarre.ImSoBoredWithTheUSA wrote:Gary Glitter and The Glitter Band, Mud, T-Rex, etc. and several other Glam acts were looked up to a lot from numerous early English punk bands (Slaughter and The Dogs, The Clash, etc.) so they can basically be called protopunk since they helped influence punk bands that were to come and also helped create the raw rock and roll sound of it [punk]Heston wrote:Mud and Gary Glitter are Protopunk?
WTF
And what the hell? What's with all the bashing? I thought most of you were gonna like the idea of this thread. And at least I don't listen to or talk about KISS or Iron Maiden...
Flex, of course I can see the connections from early RnR to Glam to Punk, but under this premise you can name just about every band from 1956 to 1975.
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Agreed that's just stupid.Heston wrote:Mud and Gary Glitter are Protopunk?
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Let the listing begin! Nah, just kidding.Heston wrote:Flex, of course I can see the connections from early RnR to Glam to Punk, but under this premise you can name just about every band from 1956 to 1975.
Not EVERY band though. You wouldn't say Bay City Rollers, would you? There's only certain groups in that era (56-75) and those are the raw and unique (Velvets, Fugs, Stooges, MC5, etc.) sounding ones that sometimes can have punk-like lyrics too (i.e. seditious, rebellious, anti-authoritarian, drug-referencing - critical though, I wouldn't call "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" protopunk since it's more hidden, but "Heroin" by the Velvet Underground, for example, would be because of the drug "referencing" being more severe and obvious and the song itself is more intense, whacked out and fucked up - in other words more than just psychedelic, and raw) So it's the certain bands that have tunes that are plainly awesome and kick-ass but also take it to the top that are considered protopunk (by me anyway), and that's within multiple genres (psychedelic rock, avant-garde, garage rock, experimental, rock, rock and roll, surf rock, etc.)
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Don't think so Flex we just know the difference.Flex wrote:Limeys are physically incapable of seeing a connection between Glam and Punk.
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Nah Marky, it's us Limeys that are stoopid.Marky Dread wrote:Agreed that's just stupid.Heston wrote:Mud and Gary Glitter are Protopunk?
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Again this is getting silly...yes there is a link from the Bay City Rollers to punk it's called The RAMONES who were fans and borrowed some ideas.ImSoBoredWithTheUSA wrote:Let the listing begin! Nah, just kidding.Heston wrote:Flex, of course I can see the connections from early RnR to Glam to Punk, but under this premise you can name just about every band from 1956 to 1975.
Not EVERY band though. You wouldn't say Bay City Rollers, would you? There's only certain groups in that era (56-75) and those are the raw and unique (Velvets, Fugs, Stooges, MC5, etc.) sounding ones that sometimes can have punk-like lyrics too (i.e. seditious, rebellious, anti-authoritarian, drug-referencing - critical though, I wouldn't call "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" protopunk since it's more hidden, but "Heroin" by the Velvet Underground, for example, would be because of the drug "referencing" being more severe and obvious and the song itself is more intense, whacked out and fucked up - in other words more than just psychedelic, and raw) So it's the certain bands that have tunes that are plainly awesome and kick-ass but also take it to the top that are considered protopunk (by me anyway), and that's within multiple genres (psychedelic rock, avant-garde, garage rock, experimental, rock, rock and roll, surf rock, etc.)
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Heston wrote:Nah Marky, it's us Limeys that are stoopid.Marky Dread wrote:Agreed that's just stupid.Heston wrote:Mud and Gary Glitter are Protopunk?
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I'd probably say the Bay City Rollers are more protopunk than Mud or Gary Glitter. At least they were young and were Malcolm's original business model for the Pistols.ImSoBoredWithTheUSA wrote:Let the listing begin! Nah, just kidding.Heston wrote:Flex, of course I can see the connections from early RnR to Glam to Punk, but under this premise you can name just about every band from 1956 to 1975.
Not EVERY band though. You wouldn't say Bay City Rollers, would you? There's only certain groups in that era (56-75) and those are the raw and unique (Velvets, Fugs, Stooges, MC5, etc.) sounding ones that sometimes can have punk-like lyrics too (i.e. seditious, rebellious, anti-authoritarian, drug-referencing - critical though, I wouldn't call "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" protopunk since it's more hidden, but "Heroin" by the Velvet Underground, for example, would be because of the drug "referencing" being more severe and obvious and the song itself is more intense, whacked out and fucked up - in other words more than just psychedelic, and raw) So it's the certain bands that have tunes that are plainly awesome and kick-ass but also take it to the top that are considered protopunk (by me anyway), and that's within multiple genres (psychedelic rock, avant-garde, garage rock, experimental, rock, rock and roll, surf rock, etc.)
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Okay, I could see how you think that; There's nothing punk about them, right (their vocals or music)? But how come one doesn't say so with Bowie? I feel they both have that same type of hard and fast energy.Marky Dread wrote:Agreed that's just stupid.Heston wrote:Mud and Gary Glitter are Protopunk?
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