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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.
Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 12:21pm
by Wolter
eumaas wrote:Wolter wrote:eumaas wrote:I don't really mind Lydon's fake-PiL/solo work, but the man, as important as he is, isn't top shelf talent even by punk standards. I realize this is a controversial statement but I think his artistic decline is evidence.
I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.
I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.
Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually
execute his ideas.
Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.
Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 12:49pm
by Kory
Wolter wrote:eumaas wrote:Wolter wrote:eumaas wrote:I don't really mind Lydon's fake-PiL/solo work, but the man, as important as he is, isn't top shelf talent even by punk standards. I realize this is a controversial statement but I think his artistic decline is evidence.
I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.
I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.
Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually
execute his ideas.
Glen Matlock
Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.
Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 12:52pm
by Wolter
Kory wrote:Wolter wrote:eumaas wrote:Wolter wrote:eumaas wrote:I don't really mind Lydon's fake-PiL/solo work, but the man, as important as he is, isn't top shelf talent even by punk standards. I realize this is a controversial statement but I think his artistic decline is evidence.
I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.
I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.
Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually
execute his ideas.
Glen Matlock
Oops. Didn't mean to leave him off.
Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.
Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 4:17pm
by modskin
Tony Gilkyson.. It's hard to fill Billy Zoom's shoes, but he did a damn fine job during his stint with X.
Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.
Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 4:21pm
by Heston
Vince Sheppard
Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.
Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 5:04pm
by eumaas
Mal Waldron. Not a flashy player by any means, yet he was equally comfortable in straight and avant settings. But nobody ever talks about him.
Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.
Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 5:48pm
by Dr. Medulla
Wolter wrote:eumaas wrote:Wolter wrote:eumaas wrote:I don't really mind Lydon's fake-PiL/solo work, but the man, as important as he is, isn't top shelf talent even by punk standards. I realize this is a controversial statement but I think his artistic decline is evidence.
I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.
I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.
Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually
execute his ideas.
For evidence of his need for capable collaborators, see Psycho's Path.
Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.
Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 6:03pm
by Flex
Dr. Medulla wrote:Wolter wrote:eumaas wrote:Wolter wrote:eumaas wrote:I don't really mind Lydon's fake-PiL/solo work, but the man, as important as he is, isn't top shelf talent even by punk standards. I realize this is a controversial statement but I think his artistic decline is evidence.
I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.
I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.
Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually
execute his ideas.
For evidence of his need for capable collaborators, see Psycho's Path.
Why would you bring up Lydon's greatest masterpiece if you're trying to illustrate his need for collaborators?
Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.
Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 6:13pm
by Dr. Medulla
Flex wrote:Dr. Medulla wrote:Wolter wrote:eumaas wrote:Wolter wrote:
I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.
I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.
Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually
execute his ideas.
For evidence of his need for capable collaborators, see Psycho's Path.
Why would you bring up Lydon's greatest masterpiece if you're trying to illustrate his need for collaborators?
To prove that, like death and taxes, I'm always an idiot.
Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.
Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 6:16pm
by 101Walterton
Heston wrote:Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler.
The fact Weller got it horribly wrong after they parted company shouldn't be ignored.
Look at it the other way, what did Foxton and Buckler do after The Jam you Freak.
Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.
Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 6:18pm
by Flex
101Walterton wrote:Heston wrote:Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler.
The fact Weller got it horribly wrong after they parted company shouldn't be ignored.
Look at it the other way, what did Foxton and Buckler do after The Jam you Freak.
They released the same amount of good music as Weller?
Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.
Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 6:20pm
by 101Walterton
Flex wrote:101Walterton wrote:Heston wrote:Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler.
The fact Weller got it horribly wrong after they parted company shouldn't be ignored.
Look at it the other way, what did Foxton and Buckler do after The Jam you Freak.
They released the same amount of good music as Weller?
Matedog wrong.
Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.
Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 6:22pm
by eumaas
101Walterton:
NZ's No. 1 Style Council Fan 
Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.
Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 6:23pm
by Wolter
101Walterton wrote:Flex wrote:101Walterton wrote:Heston wrote:Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler.
The fact Weller got it horribly wrong after they parted company shouldn't be ignored.
Look at it the other way, what did Foxton and Buckler do after The Jam you Freak.
They released the same amount of good music as Weller?
Matedog wrong.
Well, you're not
that wrong, 101W. But you are pretty wrong. Weller sure does suck, post-Jam.
Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.
Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 6:28pm
by 101Walterton
Wolter wrote:101Walterton wrote:Flex wrote:101Walterton wrote:Heston wrote:Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler.
The fact Weller got it horribly wrong after they parted company shouldn't be ignored.
Look at it the other way, what did Foxton and Buckler do after The Jam you Freak.
They released the same amount of good music as Weller?
Matedog wrong.
Well, you're not
that wrong, 101W. But you are pretty wrong. Weller sure does suck, post-Jam.
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