Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by Wolter » 17 Mar 2010, 12:21pm

eumaas wrote:
Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:I don't really mind Lydon's fake-PiL/solo work, but the man, as important as he is, isn't top shelf talent even by punk standards. I realize this is a controversial statement but I think his artistic decline is evidence.
I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.
I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.
Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually execute his ideas.
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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by Kory » 17 Mar 2010, 12:49pm

Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:I don't really mind Lydon's fake-PiL/solo work, but the man, as important as he is, isn't top shelf talent even by punk standards. I realize this is a controversial statement but I think his artistic decline is evidence.
I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.
I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.
Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually execute his ideas.
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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by Wolter » 17 Mar 2010, 12:52pm

Kory wrote:
Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:I don't really mind Lydon's fake-PiL/solo work, but the man, as important as he is, isn't top shelf talent even by punk standards. I realize this is a controversial statement but I think his artistic decline is evidence.
I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.
I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.
Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually execute his ideas.
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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by modskin » 17 Mar 2010, 4:17pm

Tony Gilkyson.. It's hard to fill Billy Zoom's shoes, but he did a damn fine job during his stint with X.
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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by Heston » 17 Mar 2010, 4:21pm

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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by eumaas » 17 Mar 2010, 5:04pm

Mal Waldron. Not a flashy player by any means, yet he was equally comfortable in straight and avant settings. But nobody ever talks about him.
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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by Dr. Medulla » 17 Mar 2010, 5:48pm

Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:I don't really mind Lydon's fake-PiL/solo work, but the man, as important as he is, isn't top shelf talent even by punk standards. I realize this is a controversial statement but I think his artistic decline is evidence.
I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.
I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.
Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually execute his ideas.
For evidence of his need for capable collaborators, see Psycho's Path.
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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by Flex » 17 Mar 2010, 6:03pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:I don't really mind Lydon's fake-PiL/solo work, but the man, as important as he is, isn't top shelf talent even by punk standards. I realize this is a controversial statement but I think his artistic decline is evidence.
I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.
I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.
Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually execute his ideas.
For evidence of his need for capable collaborators, see Psycho's Path.
Why would you bring up Lydon's greatest masterpiece if you're trying to illustrate his need for collaborators?
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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by Dr. Medulla » 17 Mar 2010, 6:13pm

Flex wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Wolter wrote: I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.
I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.
Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually execute his ideas.
For evidence of his need for capable collaborators, see Psycho's Path.
Why would you bring up Lydon's greatest masterpiece if you're trying to illustrate his need for collaborators?
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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by 101Walterton » 17 Mar 2010, 6:16pm

Heston wrote:Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler.

The fact Weller got it horribly wrong after they parted company shouldn't be ignored.
Look at it the other way, what did Foxton and Buckler do after The Jam you Freak.

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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by Flex » 17 Mar 2010, 6:18pm

101Walterton wrote:
Heston wrote:Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler.

The fact Weller got it horribly wrong after they parted company shouldn't be ignored.
Look at it the other way, what did Foxton and Buckler do after The Jam you Freak.
They released the same amount of good music as Weller? :shifty:
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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by 101Walterton » 17 Mar 2010, 6:20pm

Flex wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
Heston wrote:Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler.

The fact Weller got it horribly wrong after they parted company shouldn't be ignored.
Look at it the other way, what did Foxton and Buckler do after The Jam you Freak.
They released the same amount of good music as Weller? :shifty:
Matedog wrong.

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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by eumaas » 17 Mar 2010, 6:22pm

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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by Wolter » 17 Mar 2010, 6:23pm

101Walterton wrote:
Flex wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
Heston wrote:Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler.

The fact Weller got it horribly wrong after they parted company shouldn't be ignored.
Look at it the other way, what did Foxton and Buckler do after The Jam you Freak.
They released the same amount of good music as Weller? :shifty:
Matedog wrong.
Well, you're not that wrong, 101W. But you are pretty wrong. Weller sure does suck, post-Jam.
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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by 101Walterton » 17 Mar 2010, 6:28pm

Wolter wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
Flex wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
Heston wrote:Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler.

The fact Weller got it horribly wrong after they parted company shouldn't be ignored.
Look at it the other way, what did Foxton and Buckler do after The Jam you Freak.
They released the same amount of good music as Weller? :shifty:
Matedog wrong.
Well, you're not that wrong, 101W. But you are pretty wrong. Weller sure does suck, post-Jam.
Compared to The Jam most things look poor however Style Council had some great moments, Stanley Road, Wild Wood...

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