Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually execute his ideas.eumaas wrote:I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.Wolter wrote:I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.eumaas wrote:I don't really mind Lydon's fake-PiL/solo work, but the man, as important as he is, isn't top shelf talent even by punk standards. I realize this is a controversial statement but I think his artistic decline is evidence.
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Glen MatlockWolter wrote:Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually execute his ideas.eumaas wrote:I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.Wolter wrote:I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.eumaas wrote:I don't really mind Lydon's fake-PiL/solo work, but the man, as important as he is, isn't top shelf talent even by punk standards. I realize this is a controversial statement but I think his artistic decline is evidence.
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Oops. Didn't mean to leave him off.Kory wrote:Glen MatlockWolter wrote:Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually execute his ideas.eumaas wrote:I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.Wolter wrote:I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.eumaas wrote:I don't really mind Lydon's fake-PiL/solo work, but the man, as important as he is, isn't top shelf talent even by punk standards. I realize this is a controversial statement but I think his artistic decline is evidence.
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Tony Gilkyson.. It's hard to fill Billy Zoom's shoes, but he did a damn fine job during his stint with X.
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Mal Waldron. Not a flashy player by any means, yet he was equally comfortable in straight and avant settings. But nobody ever talks about him.
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For evidence of his need for capable collaborators, see Psycho's Path.Wolter wrote:Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually execute his ideas.eumaas wrote:I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.Wolter wrote:I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.eumaas wrote:I don't really mind Lydon's fake-PiL/solo work, but the man, as important as he is, isn't top shelf talent even by punk standards. I realize this is a controversial statement but I think his artistic decline is evidence.
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Why would you bring up Lydon's greatest masterpiece if you're trying to illustrate his need for collaborators?Dr. Medulla wrote:For evidence of his need for capable collaborators, see Psycho's Path.Wolter wrote:Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually execute his ideas.eumaas wrote:I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.Wolter wrote:I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.eumaas wrote:I don't really mind Lydon's fake-PiL/solo work, but the man, as important as he is, isn't top shelf talent even by punk standards. I realize this is a controversial statement but I think his artistic decline is evidence.
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To prove that, like death and taxes, I'm always an idiot.Flex wrote:Why would you bring up Lydon's greatest masterpiece if you're trying to illustrate his need for collaborators?Dr. Medulla wrote:For evidence of his need for capable collaborators, see Psycho's Path.Wolter wrote:Agreed. He can claim he did it all himself, but he needed a Jonesy or a Wobble or a Levene or an Atkins to actually execute his ideas.eumaas wrote:I think 76-81 Lydon was himself an innovator, but limited as an artist.Wolter wrote: I think he used up whatever he had by about 1981 or so. 1976-1981 was a fucking hell of a run, but I bet a lot of that had to do with the caliber of his collaborators, as well.
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Look at it the other way, what did Foxton and Buckler do after The Jam you Freak.Heston wrote:Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler.
The fact Weller got it horribly wrong after they parted company shouldn't be ignored.
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They released the same amount of good music as Weller?101Walterton wrote:Look at it the other way, what did Foxton and Buckler do after The Jam you Freak.Heston wrote:Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler.
The fact Weller got it horribly wrong after they parted company shouldn't be ignored.
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Matedog wrong.Flex wrote:They released the same amount of good music as Weller?101Walterton wrote:Look at it the other way, what did Foxton and Buckler do after The Jam you Freak.Heston wrote:Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler.
The fact Weller got it horribly wrong after they parted company shouldn't be ignored.
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Well, you're not that wrong, 101W. But you are pretty wrong. Weller sure does suck, post-Jam.101Walterton wrote:Matedog wrong.Flex wrote:They released the same amount of good music as Weller?101Walterton wrote:Look at it the other way, what did Foxton and Buckler do after The Jam you Freak.Heston wrote:Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler.
The fact Weller got it horribly wrong after they parted company shouldn't be ignored.
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Compared to The Jam most things look poor however Style Council had some great moments, Stanley Road, Wild Wood...Wolter wrote:Well, you're not that wrong, 101W. But you are pretty wrong. Weller sure does suck, post-Jam.101Walterton wrote:Matedog wrong.Flex wrote:They released the same amount of good music as Weller?101Walterton wrote:Look at it the other way, what did Foxton and Buckler do after The Jam you Freak.Heston wrote:Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler.
The fact Weller got it horribly wrong after they parted company shouldn't be ignored.