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Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by CorwoodRep » 17 Mar 2010, 8:01am

John McGeoch. Magazine, the Banshees, and PiL.

Did amazing stuff with Magazine, and he was the best guitarist of the Banshees. That guy kicked ass, and then wham, after PiL, total obscurity and then he died and nobody except music nerds noticed. Shame.

A couple others: Tymon Dogg, who seemed to be why the Mescaleros worked so well as an actual band after the first lineup, and he seemed to be Strummer's muse, as well as a great showman in his own right. Why isn't he on Streetcore more?! Why God, why? Also Garth Hudson, who's the one guy in The Band nobody seems to remember, but he's an amazing multi-instrumentalist and did some great stuff with them. Did some amazing work with Neko Case as well (also, weirdly, I have a John Doe gig from last year where he sits in - trippy hearing his distinct sound on Workin' Man Blues and The New World).
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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by CorwoodRep » 17 Mar 2010, 8:13am

People who totally don't qualify for this thread and should actually die: Clarence Clemons.
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Post by Spiff » 17 Mar 2010, 8:46am

Keith Levene.

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Post by Dr. Medulla » 17 Mar 2010, 9:05am

Dave Allen. The difference between shitty or good Gang of Four and Shriekback and jaw-dropping Gang of Four and Shriekback is Dave Allen's bass. The dude is an anchor. A funky funky anchor.
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Post by matedog » 17 Mar 2010, 9:36am

Billy Joel wrote:People who totally don't qualify for this thread and should actually die: Clarence Clemons.
He probably will pretty soon.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Post by eumaas » 17 Mar 2010, 9:44am

Alice Coltrane. Somehow makes the craziness of the front line sound consonant.
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Post by CorwoodRep » 17 Mar 2010, 10:09am

matedog wrote:
Billy Joel wrote:People who totally don't qualify for this thread and should actually die: Clarence Clemons.
He probably will pretty soon.
You're trying to make me feel guilty, and you know what?

It won't work.
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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by eumaas » 17 Mar 2010, 10:11am

Billy Joel wrote:
matedog wrote:
Billy Joel wrote:People who totally don't qualify for this thread and should actually die: Clarence Clemons.
He probably will pretty soon.
You're trying to make me feel guilty, and you know what?

It won't work.
The correct response is:

Fuck him in his grave!
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Post by Rat Patrol » 17 Mar 2010, 10:16am

Pete Farndon.

Honeyman-Scott got the accolades in the original Pretenders and Chrysse always shoots for (with mixed results depending on who) some sort of top-shelf lead guitar pro when it's time for a new album/tour, but Farndon's loss took their punk attitude away. And they've never really gotten it back despite Chrysse's purist leanings because she's very disciplined about the quality control. Which is why they've been a good studio band but have been more workmanlike than mesmerizing live (whereas they used to be a force of nature). Farndon didn't give a shit about quality control...he just aired it out with max attitude and energy. He was a great visual draw if you look at old vids, the way he was sneering around and thrashing away, unkempt hair and usually some sort of statement-clothing like a flag tied around his head. Took a long time for Chrysse to realize it because of the open wounds about his drug spiral and because his theatrics made his playing inconsistent, but she's been frank in interviews the last few years that he provided more thrust and balls to the mix than she ever realized.
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Post by matedog » 17 Mar 2010, 10:49am

Billy Joel wrote:
matedog wrote:
Billy Joel wrote:People who totally don't qualify for this thread and should actually die: Clarence Clemons.
He probably will pretty soon.
You're trying to make me feel guilty, and you know what?

It won't work.
I'm serious, he looks pretty awful these days. Can't even stand for long periods of time during concerts. And his sax playing has gotten real bad.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Post by Wolter » 17 Mar 2010, 10:50am

Billy Joel wrote:John McGeoch. Magazine, the Banshees, and PiL.

Did amazing stuff with Magazine, and he was the best guitarist of the Banshees. That guy kicked ass, and then wham, after PiL, total obscurity and then he died and nobody except music nerds noticed. Shame.
Big time this. Amazing guitarist.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 17 Mar 2010, 11:00am

Billy Joel wrote:John McGeoch. Magazine, the Banshees, and PiL.

Did amazing stuff with Magazine, and he was the best guitarist of the Banshees. That guy kicked ass, and then wham, after PiL, total obscurity and then he died and nobody except music nerds noticed. Shame.
His obscurity was self-imposed. After PiL he became a nurse. No, really. And, yeah, he was kick ass in Magazine and the Banshees, but I never found anything special about his time in PiL (partly because the material was pretty tame).
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Re: Band members who didn't get enough recognition.

Post by Wolter » 17 Mar 2010, 11:05am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
Billy Joel wrote:John McGeoch. Magazine, the Banshees, and PiL.

Did amazing stuff with Magazine, and he was the best guitarist of the Banshees. That guy kicked ass, and then wham, after PiL, total obscurity and then he died and nobody except music nerds noticed. Shame.
His obscurity was self-imposed. After PiL he became a nurse. No, really. And, yeah, he was kick ass in Magazine and the Banshees, but I never found anything special about his time in PiL (partly because the material was pretty tame).
Yeah, the blessing and curse of McGeoch was that he blended in to whatever band's sound so damn well. That worked awesome when Magazine and the Banshees were pushing themselves towards great music, but not so much when Lydon was apparently aggressively pursuing mediocrity.

EDIT: I didn't make any changes, but I wanted to point out that just I realized I wrote this exactly like I talk. The grammar is off in the same way my spoken grammar is.
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Post by eumaas » 17 Mar 2010, 11:07am

Wolter wrote:but not so much when Lydon was apparently aggressively pursuing mediocrity.
Or as I put it, finding his level.
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Post by Still216 » 17 Mar 2010, 11:30am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
His obscurity was self-imposed. After PiL he became a nurse. No, really. And, yeah, he was kick ass in Magazine and the Banshees, but I never found anything special about his time in PiL (partly because the material was pretty tame).
I love McGeoch's Killing Joke-ish guitar on Save Me, the best post-Levene PiL track IMO. And the lyrics on Save Me are actually decent enough where they don't cast a shadow of lameness on the proceedings (see: Angry).
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