So I just found out

[Flex]

I think I was the one who suggested it shouldn't matter that FP and BS are popular now, but in any case eumaas is doing quite well extolling the stance I also take on popularity/value.

[BR16ADE_R055E]

Yeah, popular is usually not good. I really dig the Pistols' music and the gear they wore in the '70s (you know, Let It Rock/SEX/Seditionaries). It doesn't really matter to me if the Pistols' music is art...what about entertainment? Entertainment can be as valuable as art. I find it entertaining when JL takes the piss.

I recall having a discussion with you about Ben Sherman and Fred Perry clobber on SNews...I wrote that it's bad that BS & FP have become so trendy/mainstream/popular, but you disagreed with me...or was that Flex? So clothing brand popularity is OK? Fashion is art.

You're making an unjustified logical leap there. Popularity doesn't equate to value but that doesn't mean that the category "popular things" can't have some overlap with "personally valued things." I rate some popular music highly, other music not so much. It's independent of popularity.

Why? Music is a thing, a commodity.

Why to which?

It's unjustified because you missed an intermediate position--while it's not fallacious (that would be if you suggested there were no alternative), it's certainly a leap.

Why can popular things and personally valued things overlap? Because my aesthetic philosophy and personal tastes don't show a significant correlation between popularity and value, so naturally there are some overlaps. I'm not an elitist, but neither do I only listen to what's popular. I think you'll find most posters here fall into the same category.

Hmmm, I think we're going on a tangent here...anyway, festivals aren't one step above county fairs...what about Lollapalooza or Coachella? A lot of people (for example, in Russia) who thought they'd never be able to see the Pistols were able to finally do so. Don't compare it with art, then...that's an elitist thing to do...what's wrong with entertainment?

[eumaas]

Hmmm, I think we're going on a tangent here...anyway, festivals aren't one step above county fairs...what about Lollapalooza or Coachella? A lot of people (for example, in Russia) who thought they'd never be able to see the Pistols were able to finally do so. Don't compare it with art, then...that's an elitist thing to do...what's wrong with entertainment?

Nothing's wrong with entertainment. Sometimes art and entertainment are the same thing too. Why do you keep throwing up irrelevancies? John Lydon's artistic career is pretty much in the can. When's the last time he put out an album of new material? It's not necessary to be prolific, but being active is certainly a sign of life.

[Dr. Medulla]

Speaking of Lydon, I saw this story this morning. If it's remotely true, he's moved to ugly douchebaggery instead of the amusing grumpy douchebag he's been.

edit: I agree with eumaas' above comment completely. Lydon is past tense. A great past tense, but not a current thing of value, so stop mortgaging your credibility.

edit2: Ignore the first part. I didn't see that Inder posted on the same topic.

[Marky Dread]

To throw my two cents worth in, the whole Pistols reunion is depressing, and smells of artless money-making.
Which wasn't the case first time round.

That's a fair point, but every other two bob muppet is doing it so why not the Pistols, they got ripped off something chronic whith bogus music sales, anyway I think it's great that Glen Matlock is making some money out of it, I remember a few years back seeing Glen in a pub in London (The Pillars of Hercules I think it was) serving behind the bar just so he could pay off his tab and to think he wrote most of their best material it seemed a shame.

As for the county fairs that's well funny as the Sex Pistols current tour is called The Combine Harvester Tour.

Never Mind The Bollocks...

[Marky Dread]

John Lydon's artistic career is pretty much in the can, no but Metal Box was.

[101Walterton]

Speaking of Lydon, I saw this story this morning. If it's remotely true, he's moved to ugly douchebaggery instead of the amusing grumpy douchebag he's been.

edit: I agree with eumaas' above comment completely. Lydon is past tense. A great past tense, but not a current thing of value, so stop mortgaging your credibility.

edit2: Ignore the first part. I didn't see that Inder posted on the same topic.

Bit of a nothing story. Doesnt say Lydon actually said anything "his entourage responded with a racist tirade, including the statement, 'your problem is your black attitude'." An assault allegedly ensued in which three people attacked Okereke." His entourage could be anyone ???

[BR16ADE_R055E]

Hmmm, I think we're going on a tangent here...anyway, festivals aren't one step above county fairs...what about Lollapalooza or Coachella? A lot of people (for example, in Russia) who thought they'd never be able to see the Pistols were able to finally do so. Don't compare it with art, then...that's an elitist thing to do...what's wrong with entertainment?

Nothing's wrong with entertainment. Sometimes art and entertainment are the same thing too. Why do you keep throwing up irrelevancies? John Lydon's artistic career is pretty much in the can. When's the last time he put out an album of new material? It's not necessary to be prolific, but being active is certainly a sign of life.

What "irrelevancies" are you referring to? There's some talk that the Pistols are going to release a new album...just wait and see (no pun intended). Touring is "being active"...

[BR16ADE_R055E]

To throw my two cents worth in, the whole Pistols reunion is depressing, and smells of artless money-making.
Which wasn't the case first time round.

That's a fair point, but every other two bob muppet is doing it so why not the Pistols, they got ripped off something chronic whith bogus music sales, anyway I think it's great that Glen Matlock is making some money out of it, I remember a few years back seeing Glen in a pub in London (The Pillars of Hercules I think it was) serving behind the bar just so he could pay off his tab and to think he wrote most of their best material it seemed a shame.

As for the county fairs that's well funny as the Sex Pistols current tour is called The Combine Harvester Tour.

Never Mind The Bollocks...

Glen practically wrote all the music for PV and AITUK and most of the lyrics for PV.

Ha, yeah the Combine Harvester Tour...I don't really get the farm/country theme on this tour...oh well.

[BR16ADE_R055E]

Bit of a nothing story. Doesnt say Lydon actually said anything "his entourage responded with a racist tirade, including the statement, 'your problem is your black attitude'." An assault allegedly ensued in which three people attacked Okereke." His entourage could be anyone ???

There's quite a discussion on the God Save The Sex Pistols MB about the incident.

[Marky Dread]

To throw my two cents worth in, the whole Pistols reunion is depressing, and smells of artless money-making.
Which wasn't the case first time round.

That's a fair point, but every other two bob muppet is doing it so why not the Pistols, they got ripped off something chronic whith bogus music sales, anyway I think it's great that Glen Matlock is making some money out of it, I remember a few years back seeing Glen in a pub in London (The Pillars of Hercules I think it was) serving behind the bar just so he could pay off his tab and to think he wrote most of their best material it seemed a shame.

As for the county fairs that's well funny as the Sex Pistols current tour is called The Combine Harvester Tour.

Never Mind The Bollocks...

Glen practically wrote all the music for PV and AITUK and most of the lyrics for PV.

I believe it's a Wurzels reference.

Ha, yeah the Combine Harvester Tour...I don't really get the farm/country theme on this tour...oh well.