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Re: Public Image Limited

Post by Kory » 14 Aug 2018, 8:03pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 7:27pm
Marky Dread wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 7:24pm
Kory wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 5:41pm
Flex wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 3:10pm
we harrumph sometimes about how the Clash catalog could be treated slightly more authoritatively or about the replication of compilations and whatever, but man oh man do we sit pretty compared to Lydon's consumer exploitation music projects.
What else has there been besides Plastic Box? I'm drawing a blank. I remember First Issue came out with nothing but Cowboy Song and an interview as extras.
The Greatest Hits, So Far
The Best of British £1 ♫'s
Public Image Ltd Gold

That's it I think for the comps.
Maybe Flex is referring to the reissues with no extra tracks. Or maybe he's meaning the Pistols as well.
On the plus side, those superduper, mondo, ultra, holy doodle editions of Metal Box and Album are pretty swell.
Oh yeah, I forgot about those. Still waiting on the TWIN release.
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Re: Public Image Limited

Post by Dr. Medulla » 14 Aug 2018, 8:32pm

Kory wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 8:03pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 7:27pm
Marky Dread wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 7:24pm
Kory wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 5:41pm
Flex wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 3:10pm
we harrumph sometimes about how the Clash catalog could be treated slightly more authoritatively or about the replication of compilations and whatever, but man oh man do we sit pretty compared to Lydon's consumer exploitation music projects.
What else has there been besides Plastic Box? I'm drawing a blank. I remember First Issue came out with nothing but Cowboy Song and an interview as extras.
The Greatest Hits, So Far
The Best of British £1 ♫'s
Public Image Ltd Gold

That's it I think for the comps.
Maybe Flex is referring to the reissues with no extra tracks. Or maybe he's meaning the Pistols as well.
On the plus side, those superduper, mondo, ultra, holy doodle editions of Metal Box and Album are pretty swell.
Oh yeah, I forgot about those. Still waiting on the TWIN release.
Disc 8: Think Tank - Demo, Rough Mixes and Remixes, Alternate Takes, and In-Depth Discussion
Endut! Hoch Hech!

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Re: Public Image Limited

Post by Marky Dread » 15 Aug 2018, 8:13am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 7:27pm
Marky Dread wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 7:24pm
Kory wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 5:41pm
Flex wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 3:10pm
we harrumph sometimes about how the Clash catalog could be treated slightly more authoritatively or about the replication of compilations and whatever, but man oh man do we sit pretty compared to Lydon's consumer exploitation music projects.
What else has there been besides Plastic Box? I'm drawing a blank. I remember First Issue came out with nothing but Cowboy Song and an interview as extras.
The Greatest Hits, So Far
The Best of British £1 ♫'s
Public Image Ltd Gold

That's it I think for the comps.
Maybe Flex is referring to the reissues with no extra tracks. Or maybe he's meaning the Pistols as well.
On the plus side, those superduper, mondo, ultra, holy doodle editions of Metal Box and Album are pretty swell.
I agree. Also the remastered albums all sound better than their earlier edition counterparts.
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Re: Public Image Limited

Post by Kory » 15 Aug 2018, 12:13pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 8:32pm
Kory wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 8:03pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 7:27pm
Marky Dread wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 7:24pm
Kory wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 5:41pm


What else has there been besides Plastic Box? I'm drawing a blank. I remember First Issue came out with nothing but Cowboy Song and an interview as extras.
The Greatest Hits, So Far
The Best of British £1 ♫'s
Public Image Ltd Gold

That's it I think for the comps.
Maybe Flex is referring to the reissues with no extra tracks. Or maybe he's meaning the Pistols as well.
On the plus side, those superduper, mondo, ultra, holy doodle editions of Metal Box and Album are pretty swell.
Oh yeah, I forgot about those. Still waiting on the TWIN release.
Disc 8: Think Tank - Demo, Rough Mixes and Remixes, Alternate Takes, and In-Depth Discussion
That sounds extraordinary.

Wait, extraneous. I meant extraneous.
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Absolutely. Here's another collection of words:

Table salt (spoon hinge)
Octopus (Ukraine)
St. Petersburg (arms)
Ginger beer (cauliflower)
Pat Sajak (PSak)
Lamp post (self evident)
Florida Timeshare (ditto)
Heraclitus (EMI)
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Re: Public Image Limited

Post by Marky Dread » 15 Aug 2018, 12:45pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 8:32pm
Kory wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 8:03pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 7:27pm
Marky Dread wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 7:24pm
Kory wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 5:41pm


What else has there been besides Plastic Box? I'm drawing a blank. I remember First Issue came out with nothing but Cowboy Song and an interview as extras.
The Greatest Hits, So Far
The Best of British £1 ♫'s
Public Image Ltd Gold

That's it I think for the comps.
Maybe Flex is referring to the reissues with no extra tracks. Or maybe he's meaning the Pistols as well.
On the plus side, those superduper, mondo, ultra, holy doodle editions of Metal Box and Album are pretty swell.
Oh yeah, I forgot about those. Still waiting on the TWIN release.
Disc 8: Think Tank - Demo, Rough Mixes and Remixes, Alternate Takes, and In-Depth Discussion
On the later albums Happy? and 9 a lot of those tracks would be improved if they didn't have those female backing singers. The arrangements suck.
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Re: Public Image Limited

Post by Dr. Medulla » 15 Aug 2018, 12:59pm

Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 12:45pm
On the later albums Happy? and 9 a lot of those tracks would be improved if they didn't have those female backing singers. The arrangements suck.
Happy?, 9, and TWIN all suffer from being trend-followers. They're generic alternative pop records informed by the styles of the time. Some listenable songs in there, but nothing that really stands out as an example of what makes PiL significant. It's also a big reason why those albums haven't aged well at all.
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Re: Public Image Limited

Post by Marky Dread » 15 Aug 2018, 1:03pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 12:59pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 12:45pm
On the later albums Happy? and 9 a lot of those tracks would be improved if they didn't have those female backing singers. The arrangements suck.
Happy?, 9, and TWIN all suffer from being trend-followers. They're generic alternative pop records informed by the styles of the time. Some listenable songs in there, but nothing that really stands out as an example of what makes PiL significant. It's also a big reason why those albums haven't aged well at all.
Interestingly Lu Edmunds says Happy? and 9 were ruined by production. He says the finished albums sound like different records than what he played on.
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Re: Public Image Limited

Post by Dr. Medulla » 15 Aug 2018, 2:23pm

Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 1:03pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 12:59pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 12:45pm
On the later albums Happy? and 9 a lot of those tracks would be improved if they didn't have those female backing singers. The arrangements suck.
Happy?, 9, and TWIN all suffer from being trend-followers. They're generic alternative pop records informed by the styles of the time. Some listenable songs in there, but nothing that really stands out as an example of what makes PiL significant. It's also a big reason why those albums haven't aged well at all.
Interestingly Lu Edmunds says Happy? and 9 were ruined by production. He says the finished albums sound like different records than what he played on.
Well, that's a not uncommon assessment of a lot of mid to late 80s records, so I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand on that.
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Re: Public Image Limited

Post by Kory » 15 Aug 2018, 2:43pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 2:23pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 1:03pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 12:59pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 12:45pm
On the later albums Happy? and 9 a lot of those tracks would be improved if they didn't have those female backing singers. The arrangements suck.
Happy?, 9, and TWIN all suffer from being trend-followers. They're generic alternative pop records informed by the styles of the time. Some listenable songs in there, but nothing that really stands out as an example of what makes PiL significant. It's also a big reason why those albums haven't aged well at all.
Interestingly Lu Edmunds says Happy? and 9 were ruined by production. He says the finished albums sound like different records than what he played on.
Well, that's a not uncommon assessment of a lot of mid to late 80s records, so I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand on that.
Was Bernie in the studio?
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Re: Public Image Limited

Post by Marky Dread » 15 Aug 2018, 3:02pm

Kory wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 2:43pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 2:23pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 1:03pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 12:59pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 12:45pm
On the later albums Happy? and 9 a lot of those tracks would be improved if they didn't have those female backing singers. The arrangements suck.
Happy?, 9, and TWIN all suffer from being trend-followers. They're generic alternative pop records informed by the styles of the time. Some listenable songs in there, but nothing that really stands out as an example of what makes PiL significant. It's also a big reason why those albums haven't aged well at all.
Interestingly Lu Edmunds says Happy? and 9 were ruined by production. He says the finished albums sound like different records than what he played on.
Well, that's a not uncommon assessment of a lot of mid to late 80s records, so I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand on that.
Was Bernie in the studio?
Could you imagine a Bernie production of TWIN? Jeez Louise what a real horror show!
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Re: Public Image Limited

Post by Marky Dread » 15 Aug 2018, 3:03pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 2:23pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 1:03pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 12:59pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 12:45pm
On the later albums Happy? and 9 a lot of those tracks would be improved if they didn't have those female backing singers. The arrangements suck.
Happy?, 9, and TWIN all suffer from being trend-followers. They're generic alternative pop records informed by the styles of the time. Some listenable songs in there, but nothing that really stands out as an example of what makes PiL significant. It's also a big reason why those albums haven't aged well at all.
Interestingly Lu Edmunds says Happy? and 9 were ruined by production. He says the finished albums sound like different records than what he played on.
Well, that's a not uncommon assessment of a lot of mid to late 80s records, so I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand on that.
Oh sure and I believe Lu as he seems a real genuine guy. I would love to hear the pre production tapes.
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Re: Public Image Limited

Post by Rat Patrol » 15 Aug 2018, 11:49pm

Marky Dread wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 7:24pm
The Greatest Hits, So Far
This one deserves a special place in hell for being a singles comp...but then spitefully substituting the "This Is Not A Love Song" single for the TIWYW... album version with the stupid horns to short the amount of Levene heard on record to a barest minimum.
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Re: Public Image Limited

Post by Marky Dread » 16 Aug 2018, 5:42am

Rat Patrol wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 11:49pm
Marky Dread wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 7:24pm
The Greatest Hits, So Far
This one deserves a special place in hell for being a singles comp...but then spitefully substituting the "This Is Not A Love Song" single for the TIWYW... album version with the stupid horns to short the amount of Levene heard on record to a barest minimum.
I'll agree the TIWYWTIWYG version sucks big time. Athough that comp did have that remix of "Rise" which was unavailable elsewhere at the time I think. What was just as sinful was that Plastic Box also contained that fucking horrible version of "Love Song". Spite maybe or maybe John just feels his version is better. It was good enough to release it as a single and 12'' at the time with the great "Blue Water" the real single in my book and a reissue of "Public Image". I remember thinking when I bought the album how I couldn't wait to get home and give it a spin after liking the 12'' so much and owning the Commercial Zone semi legit release. But boy what a monumental Cut the Crap moment when the needle hit the grooves. I think it has 3 decent tracks on it "Tie Me to the Length of That", "1981" and "The Order of Death". Which in PiL's defence is just under half the album (the lazy fuckers). All the tracks on Commercial Zone work well and has a cohesive feel about it with that stripped back sound. Whereas TIWYWTIWYG sounds like they just gave up and threw in everything including the kitchen sink.
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Re: Public Image Limited

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Re: Public Image Limited

Post by Kory » 17 Aug 2018, 12:29pm

Marky Dread wrote:
16 Aug 2018, 5:42am
Rat Patrol wrote:
15 Aug 2018, 11:49pm
Marky Dread wrote:
14 Aug 2018, 7:24pm
The Greatest Hits, So Far
This one deserves a special place in hell for being a singles comp...but then spitefully substituting the "This Is Not A Love Song" single for the TIWYW... album version with the stupid horns to short the amount of Levene heard on record to a barest minimum.
I'll agree the TIWYWTIWYG version sucks big time. Athough that comp did have that remix of "Rise" which was unavailable elsewhere at the time I think. What was just as sinful was that Plastic Box also contained that fucking horrible version of "Love Song". Spite maybe or maybe John just feels his version is better. It was good enough to release it as a single and 12'' at the time with the great "Blue Water" the real single in my book and a reissue of "Public Image". I remember thinking when I bought the album how I couldn't wait to get home and give it a spin after liking the 12'' so much and owning the Commercial Zone semi legit release. But boy what a monumental Cut the Crap moment when the needle hit the grooves. I think it has 3 decent tracks on it "Tie Me to the Length of That", "1981" and "The Order of Death". Which in PiL's defence is just under half the album (the lazy fuckers). All the tracks on Commercial Zone work well and has a cohesive feel about it with that stripped back sound. Whereas TIWYWTIWYG sounds like they just gave up and threw in everything including the kitchen sink.
Marky, I hate to bother you with this, but do you have a downloadable version of what we might consider the "final" CZ? I have a couple versions, I think in various levels of completion and I don't know which is which.

Also, I think everything after "Solitaire" is good.
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Florida Timeshare (ditto)
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