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Re: The David Bowie is God Thread

Post by muppet hi fi » 20 Mar 2017, 11:13pm

This will strike some as a bit of heresy, but for one of the greatest (IMO) albums ever recorded - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars - the track "It Ain't Easy" isn't a very good song, so why'd they put it on the album when they had so many other far superior songs recorded to choose from?

"Velvet Goldmine" is the obvious choice. "Holy Holy" is a great song as well. And if they felt like they really needed a cover song, they had an excellent take of Chuck's "Around and Around". Or they could have used "Amsterdam" or recorded "My Death". They could have recorded "I'm Waiting For the Man" or "White Light/White Heat", too. Or why not tighten up "Sweet Head"?

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Re: The David Bowie is God Thread

Post by coffeepotman » 21 Mar 2017, 9:12am

Don't forget Sweet Head too, what a revelation that Rykodisc reissue was, there were plenty of great songs left off. Maybe Tony Visconti would have some insight

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Re: The David Bowie is God Thread

Post by JennyB » 21 Mar 2017, 10:14am

I just reread this entire thread because I am at work and what else should I be doing? Anyway, this thread is the god of all IMCT threads.

What do you all think of Jinkx Monsoon's (shes the winner of RuPaul's Drag Race season 5) cover of LOM? I dig it.

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Re: The David Bowie is God Thread

Post by tepista » 21 Mar 2017, 3:32pm

muppet hi fi wrote:
20 Mar 2017, 11:13pm
This will strike some as a bit of heresy, but for one of the greatest (IMO) albums ever recorded - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars - the track "It Ain't Easy" isn't a very good song, so why'd they put it on the album when they had so many other far superior songs recorded to choose from?

"Velvet Goldmine" is the obvious choice. "Holy Holy" is a great song as well. And if they felt like they really needed a cover song, they had an excellent take of Chuck's "Around and Around". Or they could have used "Amsterdam" or recorded "My Death". They could have recorded "I'm Waiting For the Man" or "White Light/White Heat", too. Or why not tighten up "Sweet Head"?

Thoughts?
Me and my buddy Jim were driving with my wife listening to the CD and when "It Ain't Easy" came on my wife said "I like this song" and Jim and I just burst into laughter and always tease her that her favorite song is "It Ain't Easy" which is clearly the worst song on the record. That was 10 years ago, and we brought it up again as recently as last month. Even so, I like the song a lot, it's just the worst on the record. Like being the ugliest Gabor sister.
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Re: The David Bowie is God Thread

Post by Wolter » 21 Mar 2017, 5:11pm

tepista wrote:
21 Mar 2017, 3:32pm
muppet hi fi wrote:
20 Mar 2017, 11:13pm
This will strike some as a bit of heresy, but for one of the greatest (IMO) albums ever recorded - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars - the track "It Ain't Easy" isn't a very good song, so why'd they put it on the album when they had so many other far superior songs recorded to choose from?

"Velvet Goldmine" is the obvious choice. "Holy Holy" is a great song as well. And if they felt like they really needed a cover song, they had an excellent take of Chuck's "Around and Around". Or they could have used "Amsterdam" or recorded "My Death". They could have recorded "I'm Waiting For the Man" or "White Light/White Heat", too. Or why not tighten up "Sweet Head"?

Thoughts?
Me and my buddy Jim were driving with my wife listening to the CD and when "It Ain't Easy" came on my wife said "I like this song" and Jim and I just burst into laughter and always tease her that her favorite song is "It Ain't Easy" which is clearly the worst song on the record. That was 10 years ago, and we brought it up again as recently as last month. Even so, I like the song a lot, it's just the worst on the record. Like being the ugliest Gabor sister.
Yeah, it's definitely the worst song on the album, but I still like it.

The honest truth is that there were enough quality outtakes/live songs from that session to make a bonus disc that is better than 99% of rock albums out there. It's astonishing how fired up Bowie was in that period.
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Re: The David Bowie is God Thread

Post by Marky Dread » 21 Mar 2017, 6:46pm

muppet hi fi wrote:
20 Mar 2017, 11:13pm
This will strike some as a bit of heresy, but for one of the greatest (IMO) albums ever recorded - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars - the track "It Ain't Easy" isn't a very good song, so why'd they put it on the album when they had so many other far superior songs recorded to choose from?

"Velvet Goldmine" is the obvious choice. "Holy Holy" is a great song as well. And if they felt like they really needed a cover song, they had an excellent take of Chuck's "Around and Around". Or they could have used "Amsterdam" or recorded "My Death". They could have recorded "I'm Waiting For the Man" or "White Light/White Heat", too. Or why not tighten up "Sweet Head"?

Thoughts?
All those you mentioned are better tracks. I think "It Ain't Easy" is an OK song I think Bowie just liked the original and the idea of a cover version. RCA would never have let "Sweet Head" make the cut. "Around and Around" ('Round and 'Round) was on the original track list but got dropped once Bowie had recorded "Sufragette City" which is plenty Chuck Berry sounding. The track "Starman" replaced 'Round and 'Round from the original running order. Bowie also mentioned in 2002 a song called "Blackhole Kids" which he said should of been on Ziggy, no idea if it was ever recorded.

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Re: The David Bowie is God Thread

Post by Inder » 21 Mar 2017, 10:25pm

Marky Dread wrote:
21 Mar 2017, 6:46pm
muppet hi fi wrote:
20 Mar 2017, 11:13pm
This will strike some as a bit of heresy, but for one of the greatest (IMO) albums ever recorded - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars - the track "It Ain't Easy" isn't a very good song, so why'd they put it on the album when they had so many other far superior songs recorded to choose from?

"Velvet Goldmine" is the obvious choice. "Holy Holy" is a great song as well. And if they felt like they really needed a cover song, they had an excellent take of Chuck's "Around and Around". Or they could have used "Amsterdam" or recorded "My Death". They could have recorded "I'm Waiting For the Man" or "White Light/White Heat", too. Or why not tighten up "Sweet Head"?

Thoughts?
All those you mentioned are better tracks. I think "It Ain't Easy" is an OK song I think Bowie just liked the original and the idea of a cover version. RCA would never have let "Sweet Head" make the cut. "Around and Around" ('Round and 'Round) was on the original track list but got dropped once Bowie had recorded "Sufragette City" which is plenty Chuck Berry sounding. The track "Starman" replaced 'Round and 'Round from the original running order. Bowie also mentioned in 2002 a song called "Blackhole Kids" which he said should of been on Ziggy, no idea if it was ever recorded.

A great deal of info here. http://www.5years.com/outtakes.htm
I wonder if Suffragette City became available for the album after Mott turned it down.

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Re: The David Bowie is God Thread

Post by Marky Dread » 22 Mar 2017, 2:15am

Inder wrote:
21 Mar 2017, 10:25pm
Marky Dread wrote:
21 Mar 2017, 6:46pm
muppet hi fi wrote:
20 Mar 2017, 11:13pm
This will strike some as a bit of heresy, but for one of the greatest (IMO) albums ever recorded - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars - the track "It Ain't Easy" isn't a very good song, so why'd they put it on the album when they had so many other far superior songs recorded to choose from?

"Velvet Goldmine" is the obvious choice. "Holy Holy" is a great song as well. And if they felt like they really needed a cover song, they had an excellent take of Chuck's "Around and Around". Or they could have used "Amsterdam" or recorded "My Death". They could have recorded "I'm Waiting For the Man" or "White Light/White Heat", too. Or why not tighten up "Sweet Head"?

Thoughts?
All those you mentioned are better tracks. I think "It Ain't Easy" is an OK song I think Bowie just liked the original and the idea of a cover version. RCA would never have let "Sweet Head" make the cut. "Around and Around" ('Round and 'Round) was on the original track list but got dropped once Bowie had recorded "Sufragette City" which is plenty Chuck Berry sounding. The track "Starman" replaced 'Round and 'Round from the original running order. Bowie also mentioned in 2002 a song called "Blackhole Kids" which he said should of been on Ziggy, no idea if it was ever recorded.

A great deal of info here. http://www.5years.com/outtakes.htm
I wonder if Suffragette City became available for the album after Mott turned it down.
I think it would be pretty fair to assume that.
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Re: The David Bowie is God Thread

Post by JennyB » 22 Mar 2017, 11:33am

I think Moonage Daydream could very well be the greatest song ever recorded.
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Re: The David Bowie is God Thread

Post by Wolter » 22 Mar 2017, 12:14pm

JennyB wrote:
22 Mar 2017, 11:33am
I think Moonage Daydream could very well be the greatest song ever recorded.
I cannot argue with this.
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Post by Silent Majority » 22 Mar 2017, 12:16pm

JennyB wrote:
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I think Moonage Daydream could very well be the greatest song ever recorded.
Sounds legit.
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Re: The David Bowie is God Thread

Post by Marky Dread » 22 Mar 2017, 3:59pm

JennyB wrote:
22 Mar 2017, 11:33am
I think Moonage Daydream could very well be the greatest song ever recorded.
It's no WBTCORNR ...thank god.
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Re: The David Bowie is God Thread

Post by JennyB » 22 Mar 2017, 4:09pm

Marky Dread wrote:
22 Mar 2017, 3:59pm
JennyB wrote:
22 Mar 2017, 11:33am
I think Moonage Daydream could very well be the greatest song ever recorded.
It's no WBTCORNR ...thank god.
Really, is anything?
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Re: The David Bowie is God Thread

Post by Marky Dread » 22 Mar 2017, 7:44pm

JennyB wrote:
22 Mar 2017, 4:09pm
Marky Dread wrote:
22 Mar 2017, 3:59pm
JennyB wrote:
22 Mar 2017, 11:33am
I think Moonage Daydream could very well be the greatest song ever recorded.
It's no WBTCORNR ...thank god.
Really, is anything?
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Re: The David Bowie is God Thread

Post by Kory » 23 Mar 2017, 4:57pm

Marky Dread wrote:
21 Mar 2017, 6:46pm
muppet hi fi wrote:
20 Mar 2017, 11:13pm
This will strike some as a bit of heresy, but for one of the greatest (IMO) albums ever recorded - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars - the track "It Ain't Easy" isn't a very good song, so why'd they put it on the album when they had so many other far superior songs recorded to choose from?

"Velvet Goldmine" is the obvious choice. "Holy Holy" is a great song as well. And if they felt like they really needed a cover song, they had an excellent take of Chuck's "Around and Around". Or they could have used "Amsterdam" or recorded "My Death". They could have recorded "I'm Waiting For the Man" or "White Light/White Heat", too. Or why not tighten up "Sweet Head"?

Thoughts?
All those you mentioned are better tracks. I think "It Ain't Easy" is an OK song I think Bowie just liked the original and the idea of a cover version. RCA would never have let "Sweet Head" make the cut. "Around and Around" ('Round and 'Round) was on the original track list but got dropped once Bowie had recorded "Sufragette City" which is plenty Chuck Berry sounding. The track "Starman" replaced 'Round and 'Round from the original running order. Bowie also mentioned in 2002 a song called "Blackhole Kids" which he said should of been on Ziggy, no idea if it was ever recorded.

A great deal of info here. http://www.5years.com/outtakes.htm
Some here too, from the same site: http://www.5years.com/iaeasy.htm
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