I can't stand the blues

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coffeepotman wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 11:51am
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22 Mar 2024, 1:37am
Ahh shit, been getting back deep into the blues. Old pre-war shit and the delta blues revival stuff that Fat Possum was digging up for years. I think the first blues CD I ever owned may have been R.L. Burnside's Mr. Wizard. This track is still a fuckin' banger after all these years:
Fucking great Flex.😎
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I might have mentioned it before, but Milwaukee has an interesting connection to pre-war blues. There is a town called Grafton, which is at the top of Milwaukee County. Grafton was the home of the Wisconsin Chair Company. They made furniture, including phonograph cabinets, and decided cheaply produced 78 rpm discs would be a great giveaway to spur sales. They released a real collection of music in the teens and 20's, but it was their foray into "race records" that would leave a lasting mark. They originally licensed other record labels, but soon began bringing up African-American blues musicians to their primitive recording studio in Grafton. Putting their music out under the Paramount Records label, they created a treasure trove of pre-war country blues: Charley Patton, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Blind Blake, and Ma Rainey. The discs were cut on poor quality shellac (usually mixed with clay brought up from the nearby Milwaukee River) so the sound quality was never great, but they've become some of the most collectable records in existence. The company itself fell victim to the Depression and local lore said that disgruntled workers through cases of unsold discs in the Milwaukee River. People have actually gone into the water trying to find the lost records, though I imagine the relatively fast flowing Milwaukee would have long flushed any records into Lake Michigan.

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coffeepotman wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 11:51am
Marky Dread wrote:
22 Mar 2024, 2:27pm
Flex wrote:
22 Mar 2024, 1:37am
Ahh shit, been getting back deep into the blues. Old pre-war shit and the delta blues revival stuff that Fat Possum was digging up for years. I think the first blues CD I ever owned may have been R.L. Burnside's Mr. Wizard. This track is still a fuckin' banger after all these years:
Fucking great Flex.😎
Somebody officially remixed a lot of Burnsides tracks into , at least 2 album, "A Bothered Mind" and "Come on In". Worth checking out if you're into that thing
Will do, thanks.😎
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WestwayKid wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 1:50pm
I might have mentioned it before, but Milwaukee has an interesting connection to pre-war blues. There is a town called Grafton, which is at the top of Milwaukee County. Grafton was the home of the Wisconsin Chair Company. They made furniture, including phonograph cabinets, and decided cheaply produced 78 rpm discs would be a great giveaway to spur sales. They released a real collection of music in the teens and 20's, but it was their foray into "race records" that would leave a lasting mark. They originally licensed other record labels, but soon began bringing up African-American blues musicians to their primitive recording studio in Grafton. Putting their music out under the Paramount Records label, they created a treasure trove of pre-war country blues: Charley Patton, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Blind Blake, and Ma Rainey. The discs were cut on poor quality shellac (usually mixed with clay brought up from the nearby Milwaukee River) so the sound quality was never great, but they've become some of the most collectable records in existence. The company itself fell victim to the Depression and local lore said that disgruntled workers through cases of unsold discs in the Milwaukee River. People have actually gone into the water trying to find the lost records, though I imagine the relatively fast flowing Milwaukee would have long flushed any records into Lake Michigan.

There is barely anything left of the old factory, just some crumbling foundations next to the river.
Been reading up a bit on this and it's a very interesting story. No doubt Paramount made a lot of money for certain (mostly white) people off the back of poor sharecropping songwriters but on the other hand, they did give these musicians an outlet and paved the way for the Mississippi Delta blues to become a national phenomenon. I guess a lot of it would have never been laid down or lost otherwise.

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The Paramount material is possibly some of the finest in records music, it's a shame that all were left with are copies of horribly pressed and damaged 78s and the like. But there's been amazing restoration work done on it. Great story and local insight WWK.
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WestwayKid wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 1:50pm
I might have mentioned it before, but Milwaukee has an interesting connection to pre-war blues. There is a town called Grafton, which is at the top of Milwaukee County. Grafton was the home of the Wisconsin Chair Company. They made furniture, including phonograph cabinets, and decided cheaply produced 78 rpm discs would be a great giveaway to spur sales. They released a real collection of music in the teens and 20's, but it was their foray into "race records" that would leave a lasting mark. They originally licensed other record labels, but soon began bringing up African-American blues musicians to their primitive recording studio in Grafton. Putting their music out under the Paramount Records label, they created a treasure trove of pre-war country blues: Charley Patton, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Blind Blake, and Ma Rainey. The discs were cut on poor quality shellac (usually mixed with clay brought up from the nearby Milwaukee River) so the sound quality was never great, but they've become some of the most collectable records in existence. The company itself fell victim to the Depression and local lore said that disgruntled workers through cases of unsold discs in the Milwaukee River. People have actually gone into the water trying to find the lost records, though I imagine the relatively fast flowing Milwaukee would have long flushed any records into Lake Michigan.

There is barely anything left of the old factory, just some crumbling foundations next to the river.
Unrelated, but your account reminds me of the Henning nickel. A guy in like the 60s counterfeited $100,000 or so worth of Jefferson nickels. Many of them were supposedly dumped in the Schuylkill River in PA, but they are still found in circulation.
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Kimmelweck wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 2:43pm
WestwayKid wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 1:50pm
I might have mentioned it before, but Milwaukee has an interesting connection to pre-war blues. There is a town called Grafton, which is at the top of Milwaukee County. Grafton was the home of the Wisconsin Chair Company. They made furniture, including phonograph cabinets, and decided cheaply produced 78 rpm discs would be a great giveaway to spur sales. They released a real collection of music in the teens and 20's, but it was their foray into "race records" that would leave a lasting mark. They originally licensed other record labels, but soon began bringing up African-American blues musicians to their primitive recording studio in Grafton. Putting their music out under the Paramount Records label, they created a treasure trove of pre-war country blues: Charley Patton, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Blind Blake, and Ma Rainey. The discs were cut on poor quality shellac (usually mixed with clay brought up from the nearby Milwaukee River) so the sound quality was never great, but they've become some of the most collectable records in existence. The company itself fell victim to the Depression and local lore said that disgruntled workers through cases of unsold discs in the Milwaukee River. People have actually gone into the water trying to find the lost records, though I imagine the relatively fast flowing Milwaukee would have long flushed any records into Lake Michigan.

There is barely anything left of the old factory, just some crumbling foundations next to the river.
Unrelated, but your account reminds me of the Henning nickel. A guy in like the 60s counterfeited $100,000 or so worth of Jefferson nickels. Many of them were supposedly dumped in the Schuylkill River in PA, but they are still found in circulation.
There is a fascinating book called "Don't Sell at any Price" about the crazy collectors who collect rare 78s. The author actually tried diving in the river. It's not deep at Grafton - you could walk across, but it moves very quick. She dug around for an afternoon, but didn't find anything.
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Where in shit's name was this thread dredged up from? :mrgreen:
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Heston wrote:
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Where in shit's name was this thread dredged up from? :mrgreen:
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Heston wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 9:51am
Where in shit's name was this thread dredged up from? :mrgreen:
Yeah, and who started it?

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revbob wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 10:08am
Heston wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 9:51am
Where in shit's name was this thread dredged up from? :mrgreen:
Yeah, and who started it?
:mrgreen:
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I inititially read this as "I can't stand the Tubes" and I thought to myself that yeah, She's a Beauty was a stinker, but White Punks on Dope is pretty great.
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JennyB wrote:
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I inititially read this as "I can't stand the Tubes" and I thought to myself that yeah, She's a Beauty was a stinker, but White Punks on Dope is pretty great.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 11:42am
JennyB wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 11:04am
I inititially read this as "I can't stand the Tubes" and I thought to myself that yeah, She's a Beauty was a stinker, but White Punks on Dope is pretty great.
Fee Waybill will always be Lou Corpse to me.
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RE: blues remixes that coffeepotman and Marky discuss, Fat Possum actually did a whole remix album back in the day. New Beats From The Delta. If you like that sort of thing, it's the sort of thing you'll like:
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