Jay-Z - Wonderwall/99 Problems

[Flex]

I sort of have a vague memory of this being posted here before, but if not:
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I actually sort of dig it (not normally a big Jay Z fan). It's kind of an homage and fuck-you at the same time* and adding the AC/DC riffage to "99 Problems" notches up the kick-assedness quite a bit.

*Apparently, Noel Gallagher was bitching that Jay-Z was a poor choice to headline the Glastonbury festival and so Jay-Z covered "Wonderwall" out of mockery. But he seems to enjoy singing the song, and the crowd eats it up.

[Sub in exile]

Dislike Jay Z and Noel Gallagher personally, but I love Noel's music, so he wins out of the two in my books

[MadModWorld]

His voice kills that song.

And it's kinda pathetic 'cos Noel can't fight back.
And I agree with the Manc anyway.

[Flex]

And it's kinda pathetic 'cos Noel can't fight back.

Yeah, but didn't Noel sort of bring it upon himself by talking shit in the first place?

[matedog]

Eh, that was harmless. I love the song (in its original incarnation), but I hate how all hip hoppers have to have their friends up there yelling into their own mics the same lyrics.

[Heston]

I hate tuneless rap. Hum me a Jay-Z song. It should be filed under Spoken Word. Or Rubbish.

[MadModWorld]

And it's kinda pathetic 'cos Noel can't fight back.

Yeah, but didn't Noel sort of bring it upon himself by talking shit in the first place?

Not really. He just said that Glasto didn't sell out 'cos they had Hip Hop headlining, it's like having Coldplay opening for a 50 Cent gig.

[Flex]

And it's kinda pathetic 'cos Noel can't fight back.

Yeah, but didn't Noel sort of bring it upon himself by talking shit in the first place?

Not really. He just said that Glasto didn't sell out 'cos they had Hip Hop headlining, it's like having Coldplay opening for a 50 Cent gig.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it," he said. "If you start to break it then people aren't going to go. I'm sorry, but Jay-Z? No chance.

"Glastonbury has a tradition of guitar music and even when they throw the odd curve ball in on a Sunday night you go 'Kylie Minogue?' I don't know about it. But I'm not having hip-hop at Glastonbury. It's wrong."

That's more than just saying it'll make it harder to sell tickets. He's clearly taking a swipe at Jay-Z and hip hop generally. Which is fine, I guess. I don't particularly like Jay-Z (I own Oasis albums, but I don't have any Jay-Z in my collection), but Noel was definitely talking shit and Jay-Z responded, I think, in a fairly amusing fashion. One which wasn't even particularly offensive, as matedog pointed out. Plus, the festival did actually sell out in the end so Noel wasn't even correct in his prediction.

Also, I like how Noel thinks an entire genre of music should be excluded from a festival. He's the asshole here, not Jay-Z.

[MadModWorld]

To be honest, I believe it is wrong to have hip hop there, it's the wrong scene, the wrong kids.
I've got nothing against hip hop really, I just don't like it, not my type of music.

I don't know if there's a festival for genres like hip hop & rap or what not, but if there was it wouldn't make sense to have, as I said, someone like Coldplay headlining.

[Flex]

To be honest, I believe it is wrong to have hip hop there, it's the wrong scene, the wrong kids.
I've got nothing against hip hop really, I just don't like it, not my type of music.

I might agree more with this except Glastonbury already has a pretty long tradition of playing non-rock music in the form of folk, reggae, dance, "world," electronic and so forth... so it seems a little disingenuous to say that since its inception the festival has featured exclusively rock acts.

I don't know if there's a festival for genres like hip hop & rap or what not, but if there was it wouldn't make sense to have, as I said, someone like Coldplay headlining.

I wouldn't want Coldplay to headline because Coldplay just sucks. At least Jay-Z has a little pop.



I just think everyone should play at everything.

[Flex]

In any case, it's all a moot point because this beats Jay-Z and Oasis hands down:
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[JennyB]

To be honest, I believe it is wrong to have hip hop there, it's the wrong scene, the wrong kids.
I've got nothing against hip hop really, I just don't like it, not my type of music.

I don't know if there's a festival for genres like hip hop & rap or what not, but if there was it wouldn't make sense to have, as I said, someone like Coldplay headlining.

I agree somewhat, but I could definitely see a group like the Roots performing at Glastonbury and going over quite well. Jay-Z just sucks, that's why the tickets didn't sell.

[Jimmy Jazz]

And it's kinda pathetic 'cos Noel can't fight back.

What's stopping him?

[Wolter]

And it's kinda pathetic 'cos Noel can't fight back.

What's stopping him?

Agreed. As Flex said, he started it.

I have no use for Jay-Z's music and I'm not that big on Oasis either, but frankly, I agree with Flex. Noel was the one being a xenophobic dickhead, and the response was a mild rebuke at best.

[Flex]

I don't want to harp on this too much more, but by the time the festival started it did sell out. I guess it usually sells out in one day, so it's still food for thought but in this whole thing it's at least worth noting that Noel was not only a dick but actually wrong about what would happen. Also, from all reports, the crowd got a lot younger - which was the whole point of having Jay-Z in the first place.

I think they could achieve the goals of a younger crowd and selling out more quickly if they got someone like - as JennyB mentioned - The Roots to play.

And Wolter got my back. 'Cuz we're from the streets and we know how to keep it "real"