Interesting Take on the Beatles

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Re: Interesting Take on the Beatles

Post by Dr. Medulla » 20 Jun 2008, 9:12pm

Let us all celebrate our appreciation of great music and contempt for Slipknot fans by sharing some chocolate milk.
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Re: Interesting Take on the Beatles

Post by threecoffins » 20 Jun 2008, 9:13pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:Let us all celebrate our appreciation of great music and contempt for Slipknot fans by sharing some chocolate milk.
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Re: Interesting Take on the Beatles

Post by Dr. Medulla » 20 Jun 2008, 9:19pm

threecoffins wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:Let us all celebrate our appreciation of great music and contempt for Slipknot fans by sharing some chocolate milk.
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Ummmm, yeah. You can have mine, slang boy.
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Re: Interesting Take on the Beatles

Post by Classof77 » 20 Jun 2008, 9:52pm

You know...growing up outside of Cleveland in the 60's (but just a little too young for Beatlemania--don't get to say too young much anymore) we always thought of the Beatles as a Top 40 band. Not that there's anything wrong with that but there was a lot of more progressive/edgy stuff (Motown) on the radio. When I got moved to the suburbs I was shocked to run into so many people who thought Sgt. Pepper was a groundbreaking classic. Then I moved to LA in the late 70's and I was even more surprised to see how many punk/new wave bands cited the Beatles as influences.

I come down to this. John Lennon was cool as a personality. The early Beatles rock n roll is cool but it's kind of watered down black r&b for the masses.

In Portland OR-where I've lived for the past 25 years-- there's a chain of breweries and pubs called McMenamins. They started out buying old taverns and making them "family friendly". Now--largely because of McMenamins--Portland has more breweries than any city in the world (we passed Cologne Germany about 10 years ago) and is considered a beer Mecca.

Same thing with the Beatles. They made rock n roll safe for the masses--on a global level (and there's both good and bad in that).

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Re: Interesting Take on the Beatles

Post by eumaas » 20 Jun 2008, 10:13pm

Classof77 wrote:(Motown)
Looks like somebody just wrote down the magic word!
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Re: Interesting Take on the Beatles

Post by Flex » 21 Jun 2008, 1:59am

eumaas wrote:
Classof77 wrote:(Motown)
Looks like somebody just wrote down the magic word!
Does he get covered in green slime now?
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Flex wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Classof77 wrote:(Motown)
Looks like somebody just wrote down the magic word!
Does he get covered in green slime now?
Scream real loud. . .

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Re: Interesting Take on the Beatles

Post by JennyB » 21 Jun 2008, 3:46pm

eumaas wrote:
Classof77 wrote:(Motown)
Looks like somebody just wrote down the magic word!
Wait...in what world is Motown considered edgy?
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Re: Interesting Take on the Beatles

Post by classof77 » 21 Jun 2008, 8:44pm

uh...when you're 10 and it's 1965 and the radio is dominated by "happy, shiny people" and rewarmed 50's movie stars. Pretty much any 'black' music actually sung by black people on radio stations dominated by white businesses in the mid-sixties was "edgy". Motown is what it is and I won't go to the barricades for it but it was much more enjoyable than the Beachboys or the Beatles. AND...what does anybody have against the Funk Brothers anyways?

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Re: Interesting Take on the Beatles

Post by Dr. Medulla » 21 Jun 2008, 9:01pm

Just to offer up something else to the discussion, and as a rebuttal of sorts to classof77, one of the main features of American racism was miscegenation, both biological and cultural. It was one thing for black people to be playing that "jungle music"—what else would you expect of them?—but the greater fear is that white kids would become contaminated by listening and playing rock & roll. Wasn't that the true atrocity that Elvis represented, from that point of view? As such, were the Beatles neutering rock & roll or were they a more effective agent of corrupting the racial status quo?
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Re: Interesting Take on the Beatles

Post by Toxana Mellor » 22 Jun 2008, 3:26am

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Re: Interesting Take on the Beatles

Post by matedog » 22 Jun 2008, 11:46am

I didn't read the entire article, but I never really saw a problem with the likes of Pat Boone (and apparently the Beatles) watering down black music for popular consumption/white America. Perhaps the country wasn't ready for the real thing, this allowed at least for a gateway or transition to it. It became a lot more tolerable when real blues aficionados like the Stones began to stay more close to the source and still score hits.
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Re: Interesting Take on the Beatles

Post by Jimmy Jazz » 22 Jun 2008, 11:50am

I don't see the problem with someone like the Beatles doing where it still can kick ass (ie Long Tall Sally) but I definitely see a huge problem with pat boone doing it.

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Re: Interesting Take on the Beatles

Post by matedog » 22 Jun 2008, 12:48pm

Jimmy Jazz wrote:I don't see the problem with someone like the Beatles doing where it still can kick ass (ie Long Tall Sally) but I definitely see a huge problem with pat boone doing it.
Yeah but Boone was at the cutting edge of watering down black music (at least four years before the Beatles), so he can be forgiven for being the most removed stylistically.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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