The thread of musical shame...

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 4:49pm
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13 Nov 2018, 4:31pm
IIB was huge with the fratboy crowd at my school. But most of us knew he was awful.
Funny, but back in high school days, it was the jocks who I most associated with rap—or at least the stuff that made the charts. The Beasties' first album, especially "Fight for the Right" and Run-DMC/Aerosmith's "Walk This Way" were both huge with the football assholes (in the former case, clearly missing the satire). To this day, I still get a bit of a twinge of hostility towards that stuff because of that association.
That's so interesting. The people into BB/RDMC were generally not the jocks at my high school. The jocks at my high school(s) were into the Dead and Bob Marley.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 3:02pm
101Walterton wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 2:44pm
I would go as far as to say people bought it because it was a catchy pop tune (thanks to Queen) but not that he was any sort of great white hope or bringing Hip Hop to the masses. I doubt anyone who bought it in UK had any interest at all in Hip Hop.
I assure you, to the record industry he was. To the industry, he was Elvis—the white guy with the black backstory who could bring black music to white audiences and make everyone rich(er).
And ultimately safer, at least that would have been the hope.

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WestwayKid wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 11:04am
revbob wrote:
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Ugly album cover...but I've always kind of liked this album. Not their best - but not terrible.
It literally took me until now to know what Doc meant by VI. I just put the Circle Jerks album there as a bad joke because I thought by VI he was referring to some lame Canadian rapper as opposed to the lame US rapper.

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revbob wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 5:26pm
It literally took me until now to know what Doc meant by VI. I just put the Circle Jerks album there as a bad joke because I thought by VI he was referring to some lame Canadian rapper as opposed to the lame US rapper.


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Dr. Medulla wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 5:35pm
revbob wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 5:26pm
It literally took me until now to know what Doc meant by VI. I just put the Circle Jerks album there as a bad joke because I thought by VI he was referring to some lame Canadian rapper as opposed to the lame US rapper.


Cue the defense from the usual 90s ghouls here in 3 … 2 …
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Wolter wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 3:26pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 3:20pm
WestwayKid wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 3:05pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 3:02pm
101Walterton wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 2:44pm
I would go as far as to say people bought it because it was a catchy pop tune (thanks to Queen) but not that he was any sort of great white hope or bringing Hip Hop to the masses. I doubt anyone who bought it in UK had any interest at all in Hip Hop.
I assure you, to the record industry he was. To the industry, he was Elvis—the white guy with the black backstory who could bring black music to white audiences and make everyone rich(er).
I agree with this. He was definitely marketed that way.
And the combination of his initial success and then exposure has since made him that acid test for any white rapper. It's pretty impressive that almost thirty years later, he still holds significance, albeit not how he wanted.
It’s weird. I was only sort of into hip hop/rap, but I had friends who were, so I knew he had no street cred among the fans, but people who had no stake ate him up. Yeah, he was definitely marketed as the Elvis of hip-hop, in every sense of the idea.

You know who I remember having street cred as white rappers but no crossover appeal? 3rd Bass, who did a diss track on Ice called “Pop Goes the Weasel.”
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101Walterton wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 3:18pm
WestwayKid wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 3:05pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 3:02pm
101Walterton wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 2:44pm
I would go as far as to say people bought it because it was a catchy pop tune (thanks to Queen) but not that he was any sort of great white hope or bringing Hip Hop to the masses. I doubt anyone who bought it in UK had any interest at all in Hip Hop.
I assure you, to the record industry he was. To the industry, he was Elvis—the white guy with the black backstory who could bring black music to white audiences and make everyone rich(er).
I agree with this. He was definitely marketed that way.
I don’t doubt to the the US record industry he was. But not to the general masses ( certainly not in UK - can’t speak for US.
Beastie Boys had already got the interest of anyone who wanted Hip Hop, Vanilla Ice was just a fun pop song to most.
Anyone who took Vanilla Ice remotely seriously had their brains in their jeans.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 5:35pm
revbob wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 5:26pm
It literally took me until now to know what Doc meant by VI. I just put the Circle Jerks album there as a bad joke because I thought by VI he was referring to some lame Canadian rapper as opposed to the lame US rapper.


Cue the defense from the usual 90s ghouls here in 3 … 2 …
Catchy tune. Can't hate it.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 11:39am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 5:35pm
revbob wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 5:26pm
It literally took me until now to know what Doc meant by VI. I just put the Circle Jerks album there as a bad joke because I thought by VI he was referring to some lame Canadian rapper as opposed to the lame US rapper.


Cue the defense from the usual 90s ghouls here in 3 … 2 …
Catchy tune. Can't hate it.
Also, apparently Snow was a successful and well respected musician in Jamaica which has to count for something.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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JennyB wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 5:11pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 4:49pm
JennyB wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 4:31pm
IIB was huge with the fratboy crowd at my school. But most of us knew he was awful.
Funny, but back in high school days, it was the jocks who I most associated with rap—or at least the stuff that made the charts. The Beasties' first album, especially "Fight for the Right" and Run-DMC/Aerosmith's "Walk This Way" were both huge with the football assholes (in the former case, clearly missing the satire). To this day, I still get a bit of a twinge of hostility towards that stuff because of that association.
That's so interesting. The people into BB/RDMC were generally not the jocks at my high school. The jocks at my high school(s) were into the Dead and Bob Marley.
Yeah. The biggest white hip hop fans I knew at that time Vanilla Ice debuted were all skaters. The frat boys/jocks were more into shit like Drivin’ n Cryin’ or hippie nonsense, or, if they were “edgy,” Jane’s Addiction and RHCP.
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Flex wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 4:04pm
Here's a latter day Vanilla Ice record:
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Great, now I'm skimming through VI's back catalog on Spotify.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 2:26pm
Great, now I'm skimming through VI's back catalog on Spotify.
I'm gonna claim that as a victory.
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matedog wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 2:26pm
Flex wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 4:04pm
Here's a latter day Vanilla Ice record:
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Great, now I'm skimming through VI's back catalog on Spotify.
Could be worse, could be Phil Collins.

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revbob wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 4:05pm
matedog wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 2:26pm
Flex wrote:
13 Nov 2018, 4:04pm
Here's a latter day Vanilla Ice record:
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Great, now I'm skimming through VI's back catalog on Spotify.
Could be worse, could be Phil Collins.
I'll take Phil Collins all day long over that crap. I would of course prefer to be deaf.
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Remember when Ice made a Nü-Metal version of Ice Ice Baby around 2000? Holy shit that was hilariously bad. Maybe even funnier than the dreadlocks he had to attempt street cred circa 1995 (wait, did he AND Billy Idol both have embarrassing 90s White Guy Dreads at the same time?
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