I think you're missing how Bernie is the unsung genius of English punk. Just ask him.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:16pmApart from spotting John for looking different in the Kings Road, Chelsea what exactly did Bernie do? Malcolm had been in the US half assed attempting to manage the Dolls. It was still Malcolm who gave John the audition in Sex. How the hell he became singer is madness really. It was only because Malcolm saw something in him the others were non plus. Imagine Lydon turning up and singing like a donkey when you're really looking for the next Steve Marriott.Kory wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 4:15pmHey now, let's not forget the contribution of our very own beloved Bernie to this circumstance.Marky Dread wrote: ↑03 Nov 2023, 1:47pmBeing chosen for the role as singer was really down to the one guy in the operation he ended up hating the most, Malcolm. The others had already made their feelings clear by not even bothering to show up to the first rehearsal/meeting and leaving John stranded in a dodgy part of town. The whole thing about John being the vocalist in a band whose three musicians were Rod Stewart and Steve Marriott fans is as bizarre as it gets and without Malcolm seeing something in John there's no way they form a band with him and no way he ever gets a position in a band with anyone. On top of that the John Vivienne had mentioned to Malcolm was actually John Beverley (Sid) not even Lydon at all. What a piece of luck for him.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑03 Nov 2023, 1:38pmI basically agree with this. Without John, the others may have developed as a competent band, but just as likely would have gone nowhere and fallen apart. But without ever meeting them, John may have just become some bitter boho weirdo. No reason to think he was destined to be in a band or gain any kind of public profile.Marky Dread wrote: ↑03 Nov 2023, 1:21pmWhy is John being John around his ex band members?
I understand why Glen would not want to upset John (the apple cart) because then that dents any future reunions and that's a pay packet for Glen.
Only John knows why he acts the way he does around them. But my opinion or thoughts on this matter is simply John thinks he is superior to them and without him there can be no Sex Pistols. Of course he is right he is the voice and the force of their performance comes from his vocals/lyrics. It's a completey unfair attitude but in reality John could've gone out on the road with three other musicians playing those songs easily. He's never done that and never relied on his Pistols legacy. Sure he's played about 5 Pistols songs with PiL over the years but never a reliance on them.
It's obvious he feels he made them and not the other way around. Truth is they needed each other and John was incredibly fortunate to be in the band. But they are like chalk and cheese with their personalities. Steve, Paul and Glen would've always ended up as a solid rock n roll band but without John there's no way they would've achieved the same level of fame or notoriety. This I believe is a weapon for John to use against them. He has said many times that Steve and Paul were cowards siding with Malcolm and going to Brazil with Biggs etc. But then without the Sex Pistols John would never had formed PiL.
Imagine if PiL had formed in 1976 there's simply no way they would had the same kind of impact the Sex Pistols did. They would've ended up nothing more than a footnote. Fans were desperate to hear new material after the Pistols split so John was already in a win/win situation regardless of the court case.
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I've never doubted Bernie's genius. But no one can invent punk.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:23pmI think you're missing how Bernie is the unsung genius of English punk. Just ask him.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:16pmApart from spotting John for looking different in the Kings Road, Chelsea what exactly did Bernie do? Malcolm had been in the US half assed attempting to manage the Dolls. It was still Malcolm who gave John the audition in Sex. How the hell he became singer is madness really. It was only because Malcolm saw something in him the others were non plus. Imagine Lydon turning up and singing like a donkey when you're really looking for the next Steve Marriott.Kory wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 4:15pmHey now, let's not forget the contribution of our very own beloved Bernie to this circumstance.Marky Dread wrote: ↑03 Nov 2023, 1:47pmBeing chosen for the role as singer was really down to the one guy in the operation he ended up hating the most, Malcolm. The others had already made their feelings clear by not even bothering to show up to the first rehearsal/meeting and leaving John stranded in a dodgy part of town. The whole thing about John being the vocalist in a band whose three musicians were Rod Stewart and Steve Marriott fans is as bizarre as it gets and without Malcolm seeing something in John there's no way they form a band with him and no way he ever gets a position in a band with anyone. On top of that the John Vivienne had mentioned to Malcolm was actually John Beverley (Sid) not even Lydon at all. What a piece of luck for him.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑03 Nov 2023, 1:38pm
I basically agree with this. Without John, the others may have developed as a competent band, but just as likely would have gone nowhere and fallen apart. But without ever meeting them, John may have just become some bitter boho weirdo. No reason to think he was destined to be in a band or gain any kind of public profile.
Actually thinking about this surely ELP and all the dinosaurs are responsible for punk.
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Go bigger. Greil Marcus big! The Battle of Hastings started punk.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:32pmI've never doubted Bernie's genius. But no one can invent punk.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:23pmI think you're missing how Bernie is the unsung genius of English punk. Just ask him.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:16pmApart from spotting John for looking different in the Kings Road, Chelsea what exactly did Bernie do? Malcolm had been in the US half assed attempting to manage the Dolls. It was still Malcolm who gave John the audition in Sex. How the hell he became singer is madness really. It was only because Malcolm saw something in him the others were non plus. Imagine Lydon turning up and singing like a donkey when you're really looking for the next Steve Marriott.Kory wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 4:15pmHey now, let's not forget the contribution of our very own beloved Bernie to this circumstance.Marky Dread wrote: ↑03 Nov 2023, 1:47pm
Being chosen for the role as singer was really down to the one guy in the operation he ended up hating the most, Malcolm. The others had already made their feelings clear by not even bothering to show up to the first rehearsal/meeting and leaving John stranded in a dodgy part of town. The whole thing about John being the vocalist in a band whose three musicians were Rod Stewart and Steve Marriott fans is as bizarre as it gets and without Malcolm seeing something in John there's no way they form a band with him and no way he ever gets a position in a band with anyone. On top of that the John Vivienne had mentioned to Malcolm was actually John Beverley (Sid) not even Lydon at all. What a piece of luck for him.
Actually thinking about this surely ELP and all the dinosaurs are responsible for punk.
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Greil Marcus is a fool. Keith Emerson wasn't at the battle of Hastings though he did write an 18 minute keyboard solo for it.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:50pmGo bigger. Greil Marcus big! The Battle of Hastings started punk.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:32pmI've never doubted Bernie's genius. But no one can invent punk.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:23pmI think you're missing how Bernie is the unsung genius of English punk. Just ask him.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:16pmApart from spotting John for looking different in the Kings Road, Chelsea what exactly did Bernie do? Malcolm had been in the US half assed attempting to manage the Dolls. It was still Malcolm who gave John the audition in Sex. How the hell he became singer is madness really. It was only because Malcolm saw something in him the others were non plus. Imagine Lydon turning up and singing like a donkey when you're really looking for the next Steve Marriott.
Actually thinking about this surely ELP and all the dinosaurs are responsible for punk.
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I could have told you that!
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Marcus would riff off Ralph Waldo Emerson and how Brain Salad Surgery was a fulfillment of RWE's essays on self-reliance. Plus something about The Basement Tapes for some reason.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 6:00pmGreil Marcus is a fool. Keith Emerson wasn't at the battle of Hastings though he did write an 18 minute keyboard solo for it.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:50pmGo bigger. Greil Marcus big! The Battle of Hastings started punk.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:32pmI've never doubted Bernie's genius. But no one can invent punk.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:23pmI think you're missing how Bernie is the unsung genius of English punk. Just ask him.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:16pm
Apart from spotting John for looking different in the Kings Road, Chelsea what exactly did Bernie do? Malcolm had been in the US half assed attempting to manage the Dolls. It was still Malcolm who gave John the audition in Sex. How the hell he became singer is madness really. It was only because Malcolm saw something in him the others were non plus. Imagine Lydon turning up and singing like a donkey when you're really looking for the next Steve Marriott.
Actually thinking about this surely ELP and all the dinosaurs are responsible for punk.
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I think those Basement tapes are actually the unadulterated Cut the Crap mixes Bernie has hidden.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 6:09pmMarcus would riff off Ralph Waldo Emerson and how Brain Salad Surgery was a fulfillment of RWE's essays on self-reliance. Plus something about The Basement Tapes for some reason.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 6:00pmGreil Marcus is a fool. Keith Emerson wasn't at the battle of Hastings though he did write an 18 minute keyboard solo for it.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:50pmGo bigger. Greil Marcus big! The Battle of Hastings started punk.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:32pmI've never doubted Bernie's genius. But no one can invent punk.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:23pm
I think you're missing how Bernie is the unsung genius of English punk. Just ask him.
Actually thinking about this surely ELP and all the dinosaurs are responsible for punk.
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Well thanks for turning up at the end of the war.
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They don't call me Flex "when the dust has settled" Flexerson for nothing
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I think I like the cut of your jib.
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To which Marcus would divert to George Bernard Shaw’s visits to basements in Denmark.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 6:14pmI think those Basement tapes are actually the unadulterated Cut the Crap mixes Bernie has hidden.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 6:09pmMarcus would riff off Ralph Waldo Emerson and how Brain Salad Surgery was a fulfillment of RWE's essays on self-reliance. Plus something about The Basement Tapes for some reason.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 6:00pmGreil Marcus is a fool. Keith Emerson wasn't at the battle of Hastings though he did write an 18 minute keyboard solo for it.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:50pmGo bigger. Greil Marcus big! The Battle of Hastings started punk.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:32pm
I've never doubted Bernie's genius. But no one can invent punk.
Actually thinking about this surely ELP and all the dinosaurs are responsible for punk.
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When the arrow pierced Harold's eye, that was the great English challenge to orthodoxy, to authority, to the Saxon-Viking hegemony. Nothing would ever be the same ever again. Each time a person would look on that section of the Bayeux tapestry, history would start anew, with electrons coursing through the stumbling beginnings of an all new universe.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:50pmGo bigger. Greil Marcus big! The Battle of Hastings started punk.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:32pmI've never doubted Bernie's genius. But no one can invent punk.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:23pmI think you're missing how Bernie is the unsung genius of English punk. Just ask him.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:16pmApart from spotting John for looking different in the Kings Road, Chelsea what exactly did Bernie do? Malcolm had been in the US half assed attempting to manage the Dolls. It was still Malcolm who gave John the audition in Sex. How the hell he became singer is madness really. It was only because Malcolm saw something in him the others were non plus. Imagine Lydon turning up and singing like a donkey when you're really looking for the next Steve Marriott.
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Ah, there’s that prose that I hate-read.Silent Majority wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 7:27pmWhen the arrow pierced Harold's eye, that was the great English challenge to orthodoxy, to authority, to the Saxon-Viking hegemony. Nothing would ever be the same ever again. Each time a person would look on that section of the Bayeux tapestry, history would start anew, with electrons coursing through the stumbling beginnings of an all new universe.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:50pmGo bigger. Greil Marcus big! The Battle of Hastings started punk.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:32pmI've never doubted Bernie's genius. But no one can invent punk.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:23pmI think you're missing how Bernie is the unsung genius of English punk. Just ask him.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:16pm
Apart from spotting John for looking different in the Kings Road, Chelsea what exactly did Bernie do? Malcolm had been in the US half assed attempting to manage the Dolls. It was still Malcolm who gave John the audition in Sex. How the hell he became singer is madness really. It was only because Malcolm saw something in him the others were non plus. Imagine Lydon turning up and singing like a donkey when you're really looking for the next Steve Marriott.
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I believe it was Shakespeare himself who once wrote "once a punk, always a punk".Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 7:09pmTo which Marcus would divert to George Bernard Shaw’s visits to basements in Denmark.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 6:14pmI think those Basement tapes are actually the unadulterated Cut the Crap mixes Bernie has hidden.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 6:09pmMarcus would riff off Ralph Waldo Emerson and how Brain Salad Surgery was a fulfillment of RWE's essays on self-reliance. Plus something about The Basement Tapes for some reason.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 6:00pmGreil Marcus is a fool. Keith Emerson wasn't at the battle of Hastings though he did write an 18 minute keyboard solo for it.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 5:50pm
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One of many direct connections between The Bard and Waddy.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 7:58pmI believe it was Shakespeare himself who once wrote "once a punk, always a punk".Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 7:09pmTo which Marcus would divert to George Bernard Shaw’s visits to basements in Denmark.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 6:14pmI think those Basement tapes are actually the unadulterated Cut the Crap mixes Bernie has hidden.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 6:09pmMarcus would riff off Ralph Waldo Emerson and how Brain Salad Surgery was a fulfillment of RWE's essays on self-reliance. Plus something about The Basement Tapes for some reason.Marky Dread wrote: ↑06 Nov 2023, 6:00pm
Greil Marcus is a fool. Keith Emerson wasn't at the battle of Hastings though he did write an 18 minute keyboard solo for it.
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