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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by 101Walterton » 19 Sep 2018, 9:17pm

Marky Dread wrote:
19 Sep 2018, 8:13pm
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Q. What would you say to forming The Beatles - The Next Generation, with Sean Lennon, Dhani Harrison and Zak Starkey [Ringo Starr's son]?

I don't think it's something that Zak wants to do. Maybe Jason [another of Starr's sons and also drummer] would want to do it. I'd be up for it. Sean seemed to be into it, Dhani seemed to be into it. I'd be happy to do it.

Q. Has it been mooted?

Yeah, a little bit.

Q. Do you think it could happen?

Yeah, hopefully, naturally. I don't know, you'd have to wait and see. The will of God, nature's support, I guess. So yeah, maybe.


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Of course Zak doesn't want to do it. He actually has a musical career. I think if this were to happen - and I truly hope it does not - that it would be really, really sad.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by WestwayKid » 20 Sep 2018, 7:54am

101Walterton wrote:
19 Sep 2018, 9:17pm
Marky Dread wrote:
19 Sep 2018, 8:13pm
101Walterton wrote:
19 Sep 2018, 3:18pm
WestwayKid wrote:
19 Sep 2018, 1:33pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
19 Sep 2018, 12:47pm


Awfulicious!
Of course Zak doesn't want to do it. He actually has a musical career. I think if this were to happen - and I truly hope it does not - that it would be really, really sad.
I’m sick of seeing the offspring of successful people given every opportunity and careers on a plate on the back of their parents. Not just music you see it acting and sports as well.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by WestwayKid » 20 Sep 2018, 7:59am

Riffing on the Beatles topic...I wonder if they would have managed to stay relevant if they had stayed together in the 70's? Would being The Beatles have been enough? Would they have been able to change with the times musically and culturally? The 1970's were a different beast than the 1960's. How would they have reacted to punk, for instance?

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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Dr. Medulla » 20 Sep 2018, 8:36am

WestwayKid wrote:
20 Sep 2018, 7:59am
Riffing on the Beatles topic...I wonder if they would have managed to stay relevant if they had stayed together in the 70's? Would being The Beatles have been enough? Would they have been able to change with the times musically and culturally? The 1970's were a different beast than the 1960's. How would they have reacted to punk, for instance?
One of the arguments in Devin McKinney's Magic Circles that I find persuasive is that after the rush of Beatlemania, the band and their fans were largely moving in opposite directions in terms of what they wanted. The band's basic pacifism and desire for coexistence was at odds with an increasingly fractured, selfish, and conflict-driven youth culture. Even if they had stayed together, I suspect their position within popular culture would have been not that different from what it was as solo performers—kind of relics for a happier time, but less relevant to present needs.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by JennyB » 20 Sep 2018, 9:20am

revbob wrote:
19 Sep 2018, 8:24pm
WestwayKid wrote:
19 Sep 2018, 11:54am
Q. What would you say to forming The Beatles - The Next Generation, with Sean Lennon, Dhani Harrison and Zak Starkey [Ringo Starr's son]?

I don't think it's something that Zak wants to do. Maybe Jason [another of Starr's sons and also drummer] would want to do it. I'd be up for it. Sean seemed to be into it, Dhani seemed to be into it. I'd be happy to do it.

Q. Has it been mooted?

Yeah, a little bit.

Q. Do you think it could happen?

Yeah, hopefully, naturally. I don't know, you'd have to wait and see. The will of God, nature's support, I guess. So yeah, maybe.


Dear universe, please let this never happen. Thank you.
It would likely be just another crappy band that I'd ignore. They couldn't be worse than Phil Collins.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by WestwayKid » 20 Sep 2018, 9:34am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Sep 2018, 8:36am
WestwayKid wrote:
20 Sep 2018, 7:59am
Riffing on the Beatles topic...I wonder if they would have managed to stay relevant if they had stayed together in the 70's? Would being The Beatles have been enough? Would they have been able to change with the times musically and culturally? The 1970's were a different beast than the 1960's. How would they have reacted to punk, for instance?
One of the arguments in Devin McKinney's Magic Circles that I find persuasive is that after the rush of Beatlemania, the band and their fans were largely moving in opposite directions in terms of what they wanted. The band's basic pacifism and desire for coexistence was at odds with an increasingly fractured, selfish, and conflict-driven youth culture. Even if they had stayed together, I suspect their position within popular culture would have been not that different from what it was as solo performers—kind of relics for a happier time, but less relevant to present needs.
Kind of my thought, too.

Interesting point about the band and their fans moving in opposite directions. I had never thought about that - but I think it rings true. I wasn't born until 1977 - so I obviously missed out on the whole Beatlemania thing - but as I think about the story arc of the 1960's - the world that ushered in Beatlemania was gone by the time the band ceased to be in 1970.

Trying to think of bands that were big in the 1960's that managed to retain (if not grow) their popularity in the 1970's. It's a short list. The Stones. The Who (maybe?).

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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by WestwayKid » 20 Sep 2018, 9:34am

JennyB wrote:
20 Sep 2018, 9:20am
revbob wrote:
19 Sep 2018, 8:24pm
WestwayKid wrote:
19 Sep 2018, 11:54am
Q. What would you say to forming The Beatles - The Next Generation, with Sean Lennon, Dhani Harrison and Zak Starkey [Ringo Starr's son]?

I don't think it's something that Zak wants to do. Maybe Jason [another of Starr's sons and also drummer] would want to do it. I'd be up for it. Sean seemed to be into it, Dhani seemed to be into it. I'd be happy to do it.

Q. Has it been mooted?

Yeah, a little bit.

Q. Do you think it could happen?

Yeah, hopefully, naturally. I don't know, you'd have to wait and see. The will of God, nature's support, I guess. So yeah, maybe.


Dear universe, please let this never happen. Thank you.
It would likely be just another crappy band that I'd ignore. They couldn't be worse than Phil Collins.
Nothing could be worse than Phil Collins.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by WestwayKid » 20 Sep 2018, 9:37am

I've been listening to Harrison's solo catalog over the past couple of days. I really did like Cloud 9 when it came out and I still do - but man, it sounds a lot like ELO - which called to mind a great post by Steve Hoffman:

Funny, I CAN'T STAND non-ELO Jeff Lynne produced records.

Why?

I'll tell you:

HE MAKES EVERYTHING SOUND LIKE ELO!!!!!!

He makes Tom Petty sound like ELO.
He makes Roy Orbison sound like ELO.
He makes George Harrison sound like ELO.
He makes the friggin' BEATLES sound like ELO on FREE AS A BIRD.

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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by JennyB » 20 Sep 2018, 9:37am

WestwayKid wrote:
20 Sep 2018, 9:34am
JennyB wrote:
20 Sep 2018, 9:20am
revbob wrote:
19 Sep 2018, 8:24pm
WestwayKid wrote:
19 Sep 2018, 11:54am
Q. What would you say to forming The Beatles - The Next Generation, with Sean Lennon, Dhani Harrison and Zak Starkey [Ringo Starr's son]?

I don't think it's something that Zak wants to do. Maybe Jason [another of Starr's sons and also drummer] would want to do it. I'd be up for it. Sean seemed to be into it, Dhani seemed to be into it. I'd be happy to do it.

Q. Has it been mooted?

Yeah, a little bit.

Q. Do you think it could happen?

Yeah, hopefully, naturally. I don't know, you'd have to wait and see. The will of God, nature's support, I guess. So yeah, maybe.


Dear universe, please let this never happen. Thank you.
It would likely be just another crappy band that I'd ignore. They couldn't be worse than Phil Collins.
Nothing could be worse than Phil Collins.
Michael Bolton.
Nope. He at least knows he sucks.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Dr. Medulla » 20 Sep 2018, 9:44am

WestwayKid wrote:
20 Sep 2018, 9:34am
Interesting point about the band and their fans moving in opposite directions. I had never thought about that - but I think it rings true. I wasn't born until 1977 - so I obviously missed out on the whole Beatlemania thing - but as I think about the story arc of the 1960's - the world that ushered in Beatlemania was gone by the time the band ceased to be in 1970.
When I chatted with McKinney about his book, he pointed me to this clip, saying that he wrote the book, in essence, for the last kid.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by WestwayKid » 20 Sep 2018, 10:06am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Sep 2018, 9:44am
WestwayKid wrote:
20 Sep 2018, 9:34am
Interesting point about the band and their fans moving in opposite directions. I had never thought about that - but I think it rings true. I wasn't born until 1977 - so I obviously missed out on the whole Beatlemania thing - but as I think about the story arc of the 1960's - the world that ushered in Beatlemania was gone by the time the band ceased to be in 1970.
When I chatted with McKinney about his book, he pointed me to this clip, saying that he wrote the book, in essence, for the last kid.
Fascinating clip.

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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Inder » 20 Sep 2018, 12:05pm

WestwayKid wrote:
20 Sep 2018, 9:37am
I've been listening to Harrison's solo catalog over the past couple of days. I really did like Cloud 9 when it came out and I still do - but man, it sounds a lot like ELO - which called to mind a great post by Steve Hoffman:

Funny, I CAN'T STAND non-ELO Jeff Lynne produced records.

Why?

I'll tell you:

HE MAKES EVERYTHING SOUND LIKE ELO!!!!!!

He makes Tom Petty sound like ELO.
He makes Roy Orbison sound like ELO.
He makes George Harrison sound like ELO.
He makes the friggin' BEATLES sound like ELO on FREE AS A BIRD.
This is a (gentle) complaint I have about John/George's early solo stuff — so much of it sounds like it should be billed as Phil Spector feat. Lennon/Harrison. Still pretty great, though. 😎

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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Dr. Medulla » 20 Sep 2018, 12:54pm

Inder wrote:
20 Sep 2018, 12:05pm
This is a (gentle) complaint I have about John/George's early solo stuff — so much of it sounds like it should be billed as Phil Spector feat. Lennon/Harrison. Still pretty great, though. 😎
I really don't care for the drum sound on those early Lennon records. Too prominent in the mix and icy(?) for my liking. Odd how Ringo can sound like a detriment.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Marky Dread » 20 Sep 2018, 12:57pm

WestwayKid wrote:
20 Sep 2018, 9:37am
I've been listening to Harrison's solo catalog over the past couple of days. I really did like Cloud 9 when it came out and I still do - but man, it sounds a lot like ELO - which called to mind a great post by Steve Hoffman:

Funny, I CAN'T STAND non-ELO Jeff Lynne produced records.

Why?

I'll tell you:

HE MAKES EVERYTHING SOUND LIKE ELO!!!!!!

He makes Tom Petty sound like ELO.
He makes Roy Orbison sound like ELO.
He makes George Harrison sound like ELO.
He makes the friggin' BEATLES sound like ELO on FREE AS A BIRD.
In essence he makes everything sound like The Beatles. ELO started out with Jeff Lynne and Roy Wood trying to emulate a Beatles style of pop baroque.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Inder » 20 Sep 2018, 1:27pm

In terms of sound, I always thought Oasis were much more ELO than Beatles.

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