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101Walterton wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 4:20pm
Marky, having said that who actually gets a share of royalties, Isn’t it just the song writer or whoever owns the publishing rights?
The songwriter gets the biggest cut but musicians get mechanical royalties for performing on the record, unless you are a session man and take a flat fee. Performance royalties are small in comparison though. A lot of writers sell their publishing rights as you know. Weller sold his a year or two back.
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Heston wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 6:39pm
101Walterton wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 4:20pm
Marky, having said that who actually gets a share of royalties, Isn’t it just the song writer or whoever owns the publishing rights?
The songwriter gets the biggest cut but musicians get mechanical royalties for performing on the record, unless you are a session man and take a flat fee. Performance royalties are small in comparison though. A lot of writers sell their publishing rights as you know. Weller sold his a year or two back.
I didn’t know Weller sold his, how much did he get (before the maintenance got it).

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101Walterton wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 7:52pm
Heston wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 6:39pm
101Walterton wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 4:20pm
Marky, having said that who actually gets a share of royalties, Isn’t it just the song writer or whoever owns the publishing rights?
The songwriter gets the biggest cut but musicians get mechanical royalties for performing on the record, unless you are a session man and take a flat fee. Performance royalties are small in comparison though. A lot of writers sell their publishing rights as you know. Weller sold his a year or two back.
I didn’t know Weller sold his, how much did he get (before the maintenance got it).
A fair bit of pretty green. But he lost it all in the fruit machine and jukebox. ;)
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101Walterton wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 7:52pm
Heston wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 6:39pm
101Walterton wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 4:20pm
Marky, having said that who actually gets a share of royalties, Isn’t it just the song writer or whoever owns the publishing rights?
The songwriter gets the biggest cut but musicians get mechanical royalties for performing on the record, unless you are a session man and take a flat fee. Performance royalties are small in comparison though. A lot of writers sell their publishing rights as you know. Weller sold his a year or two back.
I didn’t know Weller sold his, how much did he get (before the maintenance got it).
Not sure but his songs suddenly started appearing in ads.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 6:39pm
101Walterton wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 4:20pm
Marky, having said that who actually gets a share of royalties, Isn’t it just the song writer or whoever owns the publishing rights?
The songwriter gets the biggest cut but musicians get mechanical royalties for performing on the record, unless you are a session man and take a flat fee. Performance royalties are small in comparison though. A lot of writers sell their publishing rights as you know. Weller sold his a year or two back.
Do publishing rights cover syncing rights for placement in commercials and tv and so on? I'm having trouble researching which category that falls under.
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Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 12:42pm
Heston wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 6:39pm
101Walterton wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 4:20pm
Marky, having said that who actually gets a share of royalties, Isn’t it just the song writer or whoever owns the publishing rights?
The songwriter gets the biggest cut but musicians get mechanical royalties for performing on the record, unless you are a session man and take a flat fee. Performance royalties are small in comparison though. A lot of writers sell their publishing rights as you know. Weller sold his a year or two back.
Do publishing rights cover syncing rights for placement in commercials and tv and so on? I'm having trouble researching which category that falls under.
Most definitely, I think that's where the most money is made.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 12:51pm
Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 12:42pm
Heston wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 6:39pm
101Walterton wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 4:20pm
Marky, having said that who actually gets a share of royalties, Isn’t it just the song writer or whoever owns the publishing rights?
The songwriter gets the biggest cut but musicians get mechanical royalties for performing on the record, unless you are a session man and take a flat fee. Performance royalties are small in comparison though. A lot of writers sell their publishing rights as you know. Weller sold his a year or two back.
Do publishing rights cover syncing rights for placement in commercials and tv and so on? I'm having trouble researching which category that falls under.
Most definitely, I think that's where the most money is made.
I'm trying to get bandleader to register my 16.6% of performance royalties with BMI before I quit the band, I'm wondering if that's even worth it or if I should quit now?
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Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 12:54pm
Heston wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 12:51pm
Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 12:42pm
Heston wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 6:39pm
101Walterton wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 4:20pm
Marky, having said that who actually gets a share of royalties, Isn’t it just the song writer or whoever owns the publishing rights?
The songwriter gets the biggest cut but musicians get mechanical royalties for performing on the record, unless you are a session man and take a flat fee. Performance royalties are small in comparison though. A lot of writers sell their publishing rights as you know. Weller sold his a year or two back.
Do publishing rights cover syncing rights for placement in commercials and tv and so on? I'm having trouble researching which category that falls under.
Most definitely, I think that's where the most money is made.
I'm trying to get bandleader to register my 16.6% of performance royalties with BMI before I quit the band, I'm wondering if that's even worth it or if I should quit now?
Given how generally unsatisfying the experience has been for you (I gather), sticking it out for some potential cash seems sensible. If delaying quitting meant losing out on a different opportunity, that be different, but it's basically about freedom from headaches for you, no?
Back off, or I'll blow the roof off—with sound!

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 1:01pm
Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 12:54pm
Heston wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 12:51pm
Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 12:42pm
Heston wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 6:39pm


The songwriter gets the biggest cut but musicians get mechanical royalties for performing on the record, unless you are a session man and take a flat fee. Performance royalties are small in comparison though. A lot of writers sell their publishing rights as you know. Weller sold his a year or two back.
Do publishing rights cover syncing rights for placement in commercials and tv and so on? I'm having trouble researching which category that falls under.
Most definitely, I think that's where the most money is made.
I'm trying to get bandleader to register my 16.6% of performance royalties with BMI before I quit the band, I'm wondering if that's even worth it or if I should quit now?
Given how generally unsatisfying the experience has been for you (I gather), sticking it out for some potential cash seems sensible. If delaying quitting meant losing out on a different opportunity, that be different, but it's basically about freedom from headaches for you, no?
Migraines at this point, but yeah. I'm just so checked out at this point that even the thought of going to practice for these last two months sends me into a depression spiral like crazy. I'm just wondering if my 16.6% of performance royalties (I don't get any publishing) is really going to be worth it, even if the band does become somewhat known. And the thought of her still dragging her feet beyond November really gives me anxiety.
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Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 1:09pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 1:01pm
Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 12:54pm
Heston wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 12:51pm
Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 12:42pm


Do publishing rights cover syncing rights for placement in commercials and tv and so on? I'm having trouble researching which category that falls under.
Most definitely, I think that's where the most money is made.
I'm trying to get bandleader to register my 16.6% of performance royalties with BMI before I quit the band, I'm wondering if that's even worth it or if I should quit now?
Given how generally unsatisfying the experience has been for you (I gather), sticking it out for some potential cash seems sensible. If delaying quitting meant losing out on a different opportunity, that be different, but it's basically about freedom from headaches for you, no?
Migraines at this point, but yeah. I'm just so checked out at this point that even the thought of going to practice for these last two months sends me into a depression spiral like crazy. I'm just wondering if my 16.6% of performance royalties (I don't get any publishing) is really going to be worth it, even if the band does become somewhat known. And the thought of her still dragging her feet beyond November really gives me anxiety.
Your mental and physical health are more than legit concerns, so it is a question of putting a dollar figure on that. The other thought is that maybe the record does take off, you'd still be in a position to sue after the fact. Document the fuck out of conversation re. her footdragging and how damned miserable the situation is. None of it is ideal, I know, but there are still possibilities after you leave.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 1:15pm
Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 1:09pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 1:01pm
Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 12:54pm
Heston wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 12:51pm


Most definitely, I think that's where the most money is made.
I'm trying to get bandleader to register my 16.6% of performance royalties with BMI before I quit the band, I'm wondering if that's even worth it or if I should quit now?
Given how generally unsatisfying the experience has been for you (I gather), sticking it out for some potential cash seems sensible. If delaying quitting meant losing out on a different opportunity, that be different, but it's basically about freedom from headaches for you, no?
Migraines at this point, but yeah. I'm just so checked out at this point that even the thought of going to practice for these last two months sends me into a depression spiral like crazy. I'm just wondering if my 16.6% of performance royalties (I don't get any publishing) is really going to be worth it, even if the band does become somewhat known. And the thought of her still dragging her feet beyond November really gives me anxiety.
Your mental and physical health are more than legit concerns, so it is a question of putting a dollar figure on that. The other thought is that maybe the record does take off, you'd still be in a position to sue after the fact. Document the fuck out of conversation re. her footdragging and how damned miserable the situation is. None of it is ideal, I know, but there are still possibilities after you leave.
I would be very nervous about losing a case like that, but yeah. I think I just have to play it by ear and hope that it gets done by what I hope will be my final show on Nov. 30. I think I'm out the door either way.
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Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 1:36pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 1:15pm
Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 1:09pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 1:01pm
Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 12:54pm


I'm trying to get bandleader to register my 16.6% of performance royalties with BMI before I quit the band, I'm wondering if that's even worth it or if I should quit now?
Given how generally unsatisfying the experience has been for you (I gather), sticking it out for some potential cash seems sensible. If delaying quitting meant losing out on a different opportunity, that be different, but it's basically about freedom from headaches for you, no?
Migraines at this point, but yeah. I'm just so checked out at this point that even the thought of going to practice for these last two months sends me into a depression spiral like crazy. I'm just wondering if my 16.6% of performance royalties (I don't get any publishing) is really going to be worth it, even if the band does become somewhat known. And the thought of her still dragging her feet beyond November really gives me anxiety.
Your mental and physical health are more than legit concerns, so it is a question of putting a dollar figure on that. The other thought is that maybe the record does take off, you'd still be in a position to sue after the fact. Document the fuck out of conversation re. her footdragging and how damned miserable the situation is. None of it is ideal, I know, but there are still possibilities after you leave.
I would be very nervous about losing a case like that, but yeah. I think I just have to play it by ear and hope that it gets done by what I hope will be my final show on Nov. 30. I think I'm out the door either way.
Whatever the case, I'll toast your freedom come December (perhaps to validate my own inclinations, I cheer on people who quit).
Back off, or I'll blow the roof off—with sound!

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 1:50pm
Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 1:36pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 1:15pm
Kory wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 1:09pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 1:01pm


Given how generally unsatisfying the experience has been for you (I gather), sticking it out for some potential cash seems sensible. If delaying quitting meant losing out on a different opportunity, that be different, but it's basically about freedom from headaches for you, no?
Migraines at this point, but yeah. I'm just so checked out at this point that even the thought of going to practice for these last two months sends me into a depression spiral like crazy. I'm just wondering if my 16.6% of performance royalties (I don't get any publishing) is really going to be worth it, even if the band does become somewhat known. And the thought of her still dragging her feet beyond November really gives me anxiety.
Your mental and physical health are more than legit concerns, so it is a question of putting a dollar figure on that. The other thought is that maybe the record does take off, you'd still be in a position to sue after the fact. Document the fuck out of conversation re. her footdragging and how damned miserable the situation is. None of it is ideal, I know, but there are still possibilities after you leave.
I would be very nervous about losing a case like that, but yeah. I think I just have to play it by ear and hope that it gets done by what I hope will be my final show on Nov. 30. I think I'm out the door either way.
Whatever the case, I'll toast your freedom come December (perhaps to validate my own inclinations, I cheer on people who quit).
Thanks! I'm planning to do something big, what a relief it will be.
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Watching Suggs on TV this morning talking about the new Madness book and the subject of money came up. Madness have always claimed that they haven’t / don’t make any money because it goes 7 ways but I can’t believe that.
They split it 50% to the songwriter and 50% to the performing members.
Some Madness songs have been huge over the past 4 decades, I know Suggs didn’t write Our House but as an example that song alone must have made a huge amount of cash.

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101Walterton wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 3:10pm
Watching Suggs on TV this morning talking about the new Madness book and the subject of money came up. Madness have always claimed that they haven’t / don’t make any money because it goes 7 ways but I can’t believe that.
They split it 50% to the songwriter and 50% to the performing members.
Some Madness songs have been huge over the past 4 decades, I know Suggs didn’t write Our House but as an example that song alone must have made a huge amount of cash.
I'm not a fan of that setup. I think everything in a band should be split equally. Fuck the songwriter.
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